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i feel like all jobs should be like that
edit: maybe it should only be jobs that dont require special training like a doctor lol
Not all jobs can do that, I doubt anyone would willingly have a doctor that just saw a bunch of YouTube tutorials
I don’t know about you but I would like my teachers and professors to have degrees in their fields and actually know the research instead of looking in up on YouTube.
@B2 Mark tru
After the edit, I totally agree with you! My mom does workers conpensation and almost all of the training is done in house, I have no idea why she thinks a college degree is any better than past work experience (and I mean general past work experience). College degrees in America are so expensive and while I am a fan of a liberal arts education, jeez it’s pricy.
Well even some doctors are just glorified scientists. The specialized doctors are the ones that should still go to Uni yes, but some general health doctors are just glorified scientists.
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Youtube taught me about the pineal gland and flat Earth. Hire me.
Looking up the wrong things then lmao
Tech is different if the app works then why not?
@Blakepineal gland is very interesting though and very important in the spiritual quantum side of reality.
Flat earth though, is a strange one though
@Andmaj mhm bunch of mumbo jumbo
@Andmaj it’s all self hypnosis u think what you wanna think
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You that clueless bud?
@scott allday ?
Sometimes i think some companies actually value more people without a degree because they know you are capable of learning things on your own
😂😂😂 based off your feelings
Oh the irony 😂
Yeah no
That’s interesting
A bachelor’s is nothing more than foundational knowledge. Having that shows you’re willing to learn.
For me, college really wasn’t worth it. It was real work experience at low-end jobs that finally made me marketable and taught me valuable skills.
Where did you go to college, what was your major and do you hold a postgrad degree? What line of work are you in? It hugely depends on these factors.
And what do you do now, and how much do you make
I went to college and have actually been in a field/industry that my degree applies to. Didn’t just get a degree in basket weaving lol
@Just Barry me as well, and there is not the slimmest chance to get into this field without at least a Master’s in the particular subject.
@Jonathan Frieswhat field are you in if you don’t mind?
totally agree with his point. I aced my Cisco Packet Tracer finals thanks to learning from Tech Acad, rather than my actual instructor who was a dunce.
Almost all super skilled hackers didn’t get any collage education.
Keep in mind. This guy still has a ton of work to do on his appearance, physical strength, ability to protect himself by learning a martial art, and his personality before he reaches role model status or true high value on the market.
And you have to get a life before you’ll be a true high value on the “market” 🤮
I aint heard of “The market” since The 1800s.
Who asked? On top of that what does any of that matter for value? His skills have allowed him to accrue enough power in the form of wealth that he can afford 10 bodyguards that will be stronger than you will ever be.
Not true. Go to college. I have a masters and am still having a hard time finding a job and I’m tired of people lying to kids. You can do stuff on the side and work on passion projects to better yourself, but go to college while you’re doing that. Don’t listen to videos like these. It does matter.
“Don’t listen to the successful guys that didn’t go to college. Listen to me, the unemployed guy with a masters.” I see you didn’t take self awareness 101.
Go to college I went for 10 years and I’m still unemployed
@Flavio P “awareness 101” is called “statistics” and if you actually took any statics courses in college, you’d know that the stats of someone succeeding with a degree in our society far out weighs the likely hood of someone succeeding without a degree. But you’d rather live in confirmation bias and lies than worry about facts.
@Max KilgoreJFC… Again, you lack self awareness. At some point in time, you have to engage in a little introspection. “How is my ethos working for me? Do I learn from people who are actually financially successful or do I assume intellectual superiority and quote statistics back at them?”
I went to college. I learned nothing there. Luckily the military paid for it. All of the computer science topics are irrelevant and outdated. I got the degree but that only got my foot in the door. After that, it was all skills I learned from Indian dudes on YouTube and personal curiosity.
I love it. While not applicable to all professions, young people have found a way around an antiquated paradigm.
Not really they are just less qualified. It’s fine to do a certain job, but the people will actually know less and so are more likely to be unaware of fundamental concepts and less well rounded in their knowledge of supporting disciplines such as math and science.
For companies looking to develop an app, that is fine. For companies trying to develop techbologies for which there isntba tutorial out there, they are better off with someone who has that well rounded and comprehensive understanding.
@Technolus A degree does not make you more qualified for anything. it is merely a form of vouching from a fallible institution.
@Technolus “Not really” followed up by a word salad that ends up in the same place. 👍🏼
@Flavio P its not an antiquated paradigm, these people are just less qualified and doing jobs that don’t require a thorough understanding of their subject👍
@Technolus Again, “Not applicable to all professions”… However, the paradigm is 100% antiquated as information is no longer exclusively held by institutions. You keep saying less qualified while championing knowledge held in subjects not germane to the job. Also, it seems like you’re implying that the only place people learn is in school. The “more likely to be unaware of fundamental concepts” argument you stand on to confirm bias doesn’t hold water in the real world.
This isn’t theory. I’ve hired hundreds of people over the years btw. In everything from manufacturing, engineering, design, logistics and operations. Minimum education requirements immediately exclude potential talent from a pool full of unremarkable, entitled duds. In most roles, we’ve determined that tests administered by department heads during the hiring process can qualify ability to perform the duties of the job. Infinitely more important is a potential hire’s attitude as it relates to the culture we want to cultivate in the organization.
Do the thing yes ofcourse
In computer science it’s really easy for an employer to find out if you’re capable. So especially in this field he is right
In computer science studying for job interview is additional aspect regardless of whether you have 10 years of experience or fresh out of college. The technical examination is given to every applicant regardless if you are going for junior or senior role.
@Henry Chauu can get non technical roles with computer science degrees
H.R. over values their own degrees that’s why they require them for other departments.
You’re kidding yourself if you think HR sets hiring standards. They simply execute against them; they come down from leaders of the department that they’re hiring for.
Some things I definitely understand. Like being an engineer, architect, psychologist, doctor and so on. But from my experience the majority of places don’t require a degree anymore. Unless you’re doing something that requires a great deal of knowledge and skill. Like some of the things I listed.
@Nathaniel Murphy That hasn’t been the case in the company I work for. Hence the other departments battling with H.R.
Buddy you can literally get an engineering job at Tesla with no degree . You can get any job at Tesla with no degree
This
The kid’s not wrong…I learned so much following other designers on social media and youtube.
Unless you’re doing math heavy calculations, you shouldn’t need a degree. I am doing an AS in computer programming analysis, and so far I’ve taught myself more concepts and skills than now a year of college. Built a website for a company, and taught myself more advanced concepts like recursion, linked lists, traversing a matrix, backend, etc. College in the USA is basically useless for most jobs.
That’s what you think until you enter the job market. Getting a programming job isn’t that easy without a degree
People are always on the side that oh college is bad and useless. While this is true for some cases like an arts degree or something, I believe college isn’t all too useless. Would you prefer your doctor to operate on you knowing damn well they didn’t study the anatomy or physiology of that organ or procedure? Would you prefer a laywer or attorney to take your case not knowing the law? So yes, college can be useless sometimes, but it doesn’t mean that it is all useless.
Yeah, this pretty much only holds true for software development and company support staff (HR, secretaries, EAs etc). In most other places that require degrees, the degrees themselves will massively impact how well you can do your job.
I would prefer a surgeon that has no degree and many patients that have survived and given good reviews over a surgeon who has any degrees.
@Sgtassburgler How do you think we will start training? Opening up a patient and praying for the best? We do not want to cause harm to a patient, so how are we going to learn what not to do if you haven’t studied the art of medicine?
@Sgtassburgler And that is also why we go through YEARS of practicals, residency, and then also a fellowship to become a specialist. Yes, I agree. Experience is very important, but not knowing the academic side of medicine will cause HAVOC.
people fail to mention the extensive amount of experience that he has. you may not need a college degree, but be expected to prove you can do it front and back if you want people to pay cold hard cash to employ you
But the ppl hiring you don’t actually have a test for you to prove it.
Well yeah, you gotta be able to do the thing, like he said. If you know something, you are bound to have experience. Experience trumps education. Although, you’d have to first learn said task or job to get the experience whether on your time or a school. College itself, no. But maybe 6-12 month, probably.
@Jeff Fairchilddepends. Ive applied to a few jobs that actually do have tests
@Andrea Millerdepends on what youre doing
Not really if you are going for entry level positions, specially in anything related whit software, cuz entry level is usually a position ment to teach you not to use your 100% genious brain in a month
Harry Potter at puberty
So u dont spend ur money on coffee but u spend it on that drink?
My mentor went to school for almost 2x as long as he’s had his business. Never made a cent from school, in fact paid them (obviously), he’s a millionaire now with his company that genuinely had nothing to do with school. School doesn’t matter. If you can do it, and prove you can do it. It doesn’t matter
If you learn by yourself the same as someone who spent years in college, means you are resourceful, creative, have willpower and some serious problem solving skill, so why look down on us?! (With the exception of jobs that require some serious regulation like doctors and engineers)
I actually look up to you. 😊 Kudos to you , the self confidence you had on yourself and the grind that you put yourself into brother
Nothing really requires regulation, competition regulates things by nature.
Ok, how do i prove to the company i can do the thing if they won’t let me in the door to show them because i don’t have the degree they want on my resume? It sounds great in theory, but you still have to get in front of the person that needs to know you can do it, how do you get in front of them?
If a company needs someone bad enough and you are persistent enough, they will allow you to prove yourself. Go to the company and ask to work for a week free to prove yourself. It is the same even if you have degree. You still have to apply and talk to someone in person at an interview where they can reject you regardless of your diploma.
Breh as a master technician 👨🏻🔧 i still youtube videos on how to or how a car/truck system works or common failures of cars ect. I swear googlw and youtube are some of the best tools in my toolbox 😂
All jobs can do this but then the HR personell who make 50k a year will be upset that the IT people making 150k didnt go to college so they get jealous and force their “we need more educated people” ways onto the company.
We see this occur when they make careers that need 0 special training require associates/bachelor degrees and force it into law. Like hairdresser, massage therapist, esthetician, pharmacy technician, etc. etc.
IT people still need certifications. It’s a different form of assessment.
I’ve worked with businesses in food service, IT, sales, cosmetology, retail, education, etc. Having formal education usually means less training requirements and in some cases less liability.
For example hairdressers who are not aware of proper hygiene requirements can cause a number of infections. Secondly they’d be applying a number of chemicals to people’s skin and hair. The product you pickup at a store isn’t the same as the salon grade stuff you need a license to purchase. (Mainly for safety reasons)
There are other ways to assess people’s competency without a degree, but for many fields it’s much easier and safer to just hire someone with some form of degree or training.
Even areas like programming still require a portfolio and some sort of test as a part of their interview process.
Lastly you don’t need a degree to work in HR, and you can make much more than that in HR. Maybe at your company that’s the case, but that’s not everywhere.
he didn’t mention that a person without a certain level of education can also be paid a minimum wage no matter how many skills u have and what job they give you
Not true
You can be paid minimum wage even if you have a degree.
Wising up to lol
its true, anyone who has the motivation to do that thrives in ANY environment
Besides doctor and law, a lot are like that. However, it’s a) easier for a company to know you’re a good candidate if you go to college and do well there b) easier to connect with companies especially given many colleges have some sort of career connection app or career fair c) easier to get those resume padding projects.
Take cs- would you rather hire a guy who has a couple basic iOS apps on his resume but no college, or a guy who has a 3.7 gpa, your rep personally talked to and took a resume from at a career fair, and did programming for data analysis for research a behavioral science professor was doing.
Sure, they both MIGHT be able to get programming jobs, but given the choice between the two applicants most companies are going to go with the college kid, because there seems to be a much more sure chance they’ll perform well. Not to mention many companies can take the college student on as an intern first, confirm they’ll work well and teach them all the basics, and then give them a return offer knowing exactly what kind of worker they are and how well they can perform in an actual job and what they actually know. (because school isn’t the exact same as a job).
The other thing is most lucrative jobs, especially in tech, are over saturated now so only the top applicants will likely be able to get the actual type of job they want, so companies have the luxury now to hire graduates from colleges with good cs programs. Where as it used to be, even just 5-10 years ago, they were in need of a lot more people. In might be in a couple years the market shifts back, but what that means is getting into tech without a degree puts you much more at the whims of the market.
Point is, if you can afford it, college is likely the easier path to get a lucrative career in most fields (and for some the only path, such as doctors, lawyers, and anything in academia).
If you can’t afford it, it probably is better to go to YouTube university at least for some fields (especially tech I would say) because working your way up with work experience over 10 years is probably better than going to college for 4 years and trying to pay off debts for another 5-20, and it’s not like college is a 100% guarantee. The YouTube university strat will also be more effective the more you want to do the thing, the more driven you are, and the smarter you are. If you come fresh out of high school with some solidily impressive projects you did in your free time you’ll likely be able to find some sort of job that you can then perform well at, get experience in, and then start hopping companies for slowly better and better opportunities to move up
I can’t tell you how many call center jobs I see that prefer a bachelor’s degree or higher. They want that because people in debt are more likely to stay longer at bad jobs. It’s gross how the entry/low level job market works. I assume higher levels have their own issues but I’ll never commit to climbing the corporate ladder 😂
can you get a degree from YouTube? Because I should have one by now as much as I watch and I’ve learned a lot.😮😅
Business: kick a$$, or kiss it. 😅
This is the modern day of hustling
I work for DOD and I went to college. I learned everything from Indians on YouTube. Everything tech related they teach in college is outdated by 10+ years. I got the degree so I could get my commission. I have no idea what any of my professors said. Except my English professor. She was a hot adjunct and I married her.
Imagine trying to learn american english from people who just use slang 🫠😭
Iv’e learned almost everything I know about programming languages, type checkers, interpreters, virtual machines and parsers from a guy called Dmitri. He is the best teacher in the word for me.
Mark my words, one day soon companies are going to be forced to hire people with college degrees not because they are sought after but because they will become unnecessary because a person can learn exactly what needs to be done online thus they probably will take smaller salaries so the people with degrees will whine and cry so they can justify their existence.
In the utility field where I work most guys just have a high school degree, and make well above $250k a year on average.
I disagree 100%. Although a degree doesn’t always lend itself to a future job, it demonstrates long-term follow-through and discipline. I want to hire people that can do hard things for years not weeks or months.
The undergrad degree is the new high school degree. It is mostly preparatory for advanced degrees, so if you stop there, it is less valuable, and it doesn’t translate well to the working world. I’ve hired ALL ranges of educated people, and the ones that succeed have advanced degrees. At some point those with lesser scholastic experience just get passed up. Period.
If college was free then I could see your poin. But being that’s it’s easily over $100k for a 4 year degree including books/housing/food, then there are way better options and someone being able to see through the bullshit and taking education/entrepreneurship into their own hands is something to be admired not passed up. There’s no better discipline than committing to complete a project like an app, software, etc with nobody telling you to do it or keeping you on track.
If you succeed in the interview and do everything that your role requires why does anything else matter?
@Aaron Jaeger Nothing else really does matter. They just want to gatekeep because they don’t want to deal with having to actually be good at their job. Competition certifies and regulates, but people like to circumvent such natural systems.
This dude printed his degree from mit
When building a house you can get by with people without a degree. Still a good idea to have a person with formal trqining overseeing the process.
Want to build a skyscraper, you better call an actual team of engineers and architects who have comprehensive knowledge and are certified to meet certain standards.
This culture of anti-intelectualism is but a shot in one’s own foot, and a major factor in the stupidification of society.
Academics /= Intellectual. Having a diploma or certificating in reality certifies nothing. Not having a degree also does not certify a lack of capability at anything. These institutions are not physically capable of gatekeeping information, it all exists despite their existence or lack thereof.
PHD in chat gpt
I have an Associates And Bachelor’s in Computer Programming.
They taught us how to fix the Y2K Bug.
I graduated into an absolutely flooded Market.
I now pack Styrofoam for a living.
this is outdated. Almost every single internship, let alone actual job for CS, requires you are pursuing a college degree.
Bruh it’s so messed up but he is right! 😂
It will take longer for most to learn by themselves what they learn in college, simply because online the information is scattered all over the place, in college it’s structured perfectly. I’m just glad healthcare and education is free where I live.
With american college prices, it’s probably really not worth it
I learned the truth about life and this world through my friends on RuneScape over about 20 years of online grinding. My college friends are going back or going broke, with no real knowledge of the world or how money works.
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the internet is continuing to level the playing field and college is more and more stupid.
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Sure you could be an employee but if you ever want to move up and become a director and make the most money as an employee your going to need a bachelors
Most top earners have no diplomas from academic institutions.
It’s not about the college degree, Its about the degree representing that you can wake up and handle business over an extended time. All while stressed
Having prior jobs and references proves that far more than a degree. Most classes in college you don’t even have to show up for most of the time. On top of that a high school diploma would also vouch for the same thing.
@Complete BagelOh I agree with you, im just saying it’s not even about the degree, but as a reference of experience
Made it as an IT engineer with no degree you just have to know what your doing.
My friend got a cybersecurity auditor job with a business degree. A degree, even if not field adjacent, gets you in the door while experience will go a longer way.
Nah as a Software Engineer biggest load of crap. If you are trying to pursue the tech industry get the degree AND watch those videos. EOD, most companies want that degree not to mention its super competitive amongst the population w/ degrees.
A person with a computer science degree will outclass and preform a self taught programmer
Said who?
@DynamiteCAEyou shouldn’t need a authority figure to understand that
@Brandon its simply false
@DynamiteCAE lil bro it’s not. Have you ever worked a real job? Not like some fast food or retail but a real job. That’s not how it works
@Brandon Having a degree can provide a structured foundation and can open doors, but it doesn’t automatically make someone a better programmer. Some of the most talented developers I know are self-taught. It’s about passion, dedication, and the ability to learn and adapt, not just the credentials on a resume.
In short, yes!
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Nah man. People without education are the reason I make six figures policing the trash tier code people develop and put on the internet 😂
And you are unemployed LOL
@RCyeah… no. I lately literally just said I make six figures 🤦♂️
@HRN Hey, no need to be rude to him. He just needs to get an education so his reading comprehension improves. In a few years he may be smart enough to read your comment 🙂
@HRN knowledge and a degree are completely different things.
The fact you code and can’t understand a concrete truth such as this speaks volumes.
@roblowe8295 the professional level of development that I require from my team requires instruction, not knowledge. That comes from many sources, early professional instruction is the best to build upon.
Talk to me when you’ve lead and managed developers and have an understanding of why this is important.
Oh so going back what companies used to do.
Not everyone needs to attend university.
You’ll be paid a lot less without the degree go. Just be smart with college know what you want to do before you go, don’t try to figure it out along the way. and don’t go to any private university for undergrad, state colleges are way more affordable and just as good, you’ll save thousands and avoid debt.
A degree does not mean anyone has to pay you anything. Nothing does. You negotiate your wage if you can, or you go somewhere else.
A degree absolutely does mean youll be paid more what are you talking about? I worked as a substitute teacher for a few months and I was being paid $26 an hour because of my degree vs others that I met who were barley making $18 an hour. Same job, same company, and I didnt negotiate. A degree is used because you are seen as being worth more by employers. And it can be used to negotiate if that option even comes up@Complete Bagel
What is the guy with the east asian accent teaching? Whatever you are trying to learn for your desired job?
College is pretty much necessary for all STEM fields but so many people just go to college to figure out what they want to do which is bad
How is it necessary?
@Complete Bagel For STEM fields. Maybe not tech as much anymore with all the coding bootcamps but a job in cybersecurity, a scientist, engineer, or doctor all need at the minimum a bachelors to make a worth while career in that field
@Gooner Adding on to your point: I majored in math and physics. There were a lot of things in my upper level classes that there isn’t much (or isn’t anything) on the internet about them.
There was nothing on the internet at all related to my thesis. No youtube videos or wikipedia links. Heck, there were barely any research papers on it either.
Even if someone were to follow my college curriculum exactly and devote the 80-140 hours a week that is required to learn, they would still miss A LOT of information.
P.S. Results may vary. Some degrees are easy and useless, while other degrees may literally be impossible to learn without a professor. Most degrees probably fall somewhere in between.
Yeah I watch all these videos about how college is bad lol. I guess I’ll just become a doctor with no schooling.
Not true ive had a freind who didnt go to college for engineering and ia qorking engineering and is the best, better than the newly college graduate he has experience growing up with an engineering dad who just taught him stuff.
Also a lot of billionaires got rich before graduating college or they dropped out and went back after they became rich. Some never went back.
I opened an llc before i went to college.
There are 0 fields that REQUIRE a degree to do the job effectively.
What about the medical field?
I sure feel more comfortable knowing my doctor went through all that schooling.
Average people make this mistake. Yeah, if you can make an app by yourself you don’t need a degree. But most people can’t.
An ideal Bankman Fried Wannabe big time, looks like him too!
Never once been asked about school in any kind of job interview.
The part that college is good for is putting it in your resume so they don’t auto sort yours out before they could ever even see it. Outside that basically useless for what I do.
Michael is just the best
L advice. Companies are going to still have the degree requirement in place as a barrier to entry. Suck it up, finish college, AND have the skill so all your bases are covered
If this trend keeps up (where companies hire you because of how much you know and not just for your degree), pretty soon people will stop going to expensive colleges for a degree (which teaches a lot of other BS apart from the main courses) and focus on learning what they want to learn, whether for free or from some paid courses that focus only on that subject.
Please let this happen because colleges and their degrees have become unfathomably expensive and the RoI on your degree is not guaranteed…
kid could work on his enunciation and communication style. Soft skills are important… and wash your face
Youtube taught hacking and now i work in cyber security lmao
This is terrible advice. I once heard a famous ‘self taught’ programmer claim that the recursive fibonacci algorithm was quadratic.
Almost no self taught programmer is even remotely good at CS. Sometimes, they happen to get lucky and use their fortune to give terrible advice to everyone. CS is a very complex field. A vast majority of people need a college degree to understand the fundamentals.
I have worked with many self-taught programmers.
You can definitely learn how to sling code.
What you don’t learn online, and do learn in University, is algorithms, data structures, how computers actually process data, how networks are actually designed and what considerations go in to them.
There’s way more to writing software than just putting code in an editor.
Write maintainable code that is easy to change, friends!
In IT the only thing that matters is your portfolio.
From my hiring experience, hire the one with the most acne scars. Literally.
Sad how now in order to just start your life as an adult you have to go thousands of dollars into debt. I have a full ride myself, but even still I’m still starting life in debt (high living expenses in college town).
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find the most asian person you can and learn from them. LOLOLOL>
Something about this guy tells me hes a scammer
College is important for educating a population, simple as that. I learned almost everything I know now from a great education and was an infant intellectually graduating highschool. I learned so much in my undergraduate about so many different subjects, not to mention developed a lot of skills like how to properly learn and retain information for complex issues. College is not necessary for a job, but it certainly helps people mature and tests them mentally which is important especially for a young adult.
How about us South Asians? 😁
I’m back to college for my MBA 💪
Great advice! I learned a long time ago… Get the people that are better than you and hire them.
This used to be the case but the tech sector is now a lot more strict on qualifications
My father hires engineers an designers and always says he values self made so much more
You do not need college If you can successfully build your own online apps.
he’s very right! my dad didn’t graduate highschool, worked his way up in printing for 20 years and then got a job working for printing at a UNIVERSITY. they straight up said: as long as you do your job good, the piece of paper doesn’t matter.
I went to college I never made a penny w my degree. College is not for everyone
Dude if you can’t understand their English – they’re the one. Subtitles on Indian creators’ YouTube channels taught me proper accounting❤