More trouble for Boeing (BA). At least seven passengers have filed a lawsuit against the company seeking unspecified damages after an exterior door plug ripped off during an Alaska Airlines (ALK) flight on January 5th.
Yahoo Finance’s Alexis Keenan breaks down the details of the proposed class-action lawsuit.
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Has Boeing heard of Loctite ?
Or a torque wrench
The root cause is failure to design a successor to the 737.
Boein is uncompetitive with Airbus. German engineering. 😂
The C919 will take over business from Boeing.
It is strike 3.
1. Lion Air
2. Ethiopian Airlines
3. Alaska Airlines
Ok, fair enough. But you’re going after the wrong company. Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita is the manufacturer of the fuselage as well as the door plug. This isn’t on Boeing.
Actually, it is for multiple reasons, from Boeing being the one to outsource the manufacturing of the fuselages to Spirit AeroSystems, to the buck ending with Boeing as they’re the ones who do the last and final quality checks during assembly before delivering the product to the airliners. Quality Control is virtually nonexistent at Boeing despite them talking a big game about “safety” and “transparency”. Pretty much anyone who has worked at Boeing and would bring up deficiencies to management eventually got let go (including myself).
Boing sells the complete airplane. Clearly they are the primary entity responsible. The CEO even said Boeing would own their responsibility. Whether Spirit has shared responsibility remains to be seen.
Boeing is going to pay out big. They will settle fast because a court case would make public all kinds of bad internal issues and a jury would award a massive verdict. People will want to send a message because boeing makes us and people we care about unsafe when traveling.
I am almost sure that any payouts will be clawed back through contracts with the military and other government departments who will payout whatever the cost ( Pentagon audits are never achieved from what I read). Add to that, acknowledged “too big to fail” status, limited liability and stock buy-backs and you have black comedy at its best! ps lol
Strange how so many people noted how calm the passengers were after the event and as soon as lawyers get involved suddenly everyone is traumatised and fearing for their lives! 😏
It’s called being in shock. Look it up.
Besides, what are you supposed to do in any kind of emergency? Did you forget what you were taught in school during fire drills where you’re supposed to stay calm? Just because someone physically looks/behaves calmly, doesn’t mean that mentally/emotionally they’re not traumatized, especially after the event and dust settles and they have time to process everything.
Okay, let’s stop with the drama. The commercial aviation business is incredibly safe. The US is going on 15 years without a fatality. Then consider there are something like 5,600 flights each day! Do the math! The only people complaining should be ambulance-chasing lawyers.
I can believe the oxygen masks not working complaint but that’s on passengers because people go on their phones during the safety briefings these days. The instructions are to tug on the oxygen mask as you bring it towards your face. That tug or mask pulling is important because the oxygen is created by an oxygen candle. Oxygen candles produce oxygen through a chemical reaction. Oxygen candles are used in submarines too. In aircraft, tugging the mask pulls a pin that triggers the chemical reaction to burn the oxygen candle. This is also why they say during the emergency briefing not to worry if the bag doesn’t inflate, it’s not supposed to, the oxygen candle is burning at a controlled rate. Typically every seat’s oxygen mask in a row (separated by the aisle or aisles) is connected to the same oxygen candle. So it just takes one person in that row who was paying attention to the safety briefing.
I’m not surprised by that complaint, but I’ll personally wait until the investigation concludes and releases the findings. It may be that oxygen was being delivered, however with hyperventilating/being in shock, a passenger may not have felt like they’re receiving O2 (hence why they tell ppl not to freak out if the bag doesn’t inflate). If that’s the case, the briefings may need to be slightly updated to essentially mention the importance of taking calm deep breaths kind of like when meditating despite the urges of screaming your lungs out thinking you’ll die. Another big thing related to the masks that almost no one will tell you (esp during the briefings) is that they aren’t meant to keep you conscious. It’s only to keep you alive (even if you pass out from oxygen deprivation), for a few short minutes as the pilot is going to go into a nose dive to drop from ~50,000 ft ASL to about 10,000 ft ASL or so where the air is more dense all in the span of less than 5 minutes.
But again, I’d personally wait until to see what the investigation discovers. After having worked at Boeing and knowing how much they despise anything that has to due with product quality, safety, or innovation, if oxygen itself wasn’t pushed through to the masks because of Boeing QC, I wouldn’t at all be surprised.
@@6YJI9that’s funny, update the briefing, if people are going to freak out what makes you think they will remember the briefing?
They should sue Alaska Airlines as well….if, in fact, the airline knew there were pressurization warnings in the days leading up to this event…
The NTSB already reported that they were unrelated events as far as Alaska’s concerned. The error showed a problem with one of three pressurization systems. The aircraft manual, provided by Boeing, says it’s okay to fly if one system is down because of the double redundancies. However, Alaska was not able to see a problem with the system that the warning came up for. Now they may still find that there was a problem with maintaining pressure and that’s what could have triggered the warning but the warning itself doesn’t specify that. If I’m a mechanic troubleshooting this and I see a warning with one system but not the other, then I’m not going to think that there is actually a loss of pressure outside of spec because it’s only happening on one system. They did the appropriate action by removing it from ETOPS.
AA didn’t build the plane, Boeing did.
This is a manufacturing/QC issue, and that is completely, absolutely and totally Boeing’s responsibility.
Boeing has serious quality control issues. Its only a matter of time before another plane smashes into the ground.
These aren’t the suits to worry about; it’s the compensation to the airlines for their lost business that’s going to be painful.
Hopefully the boy will get a new shirt, a new phone plus enough cash for his college education.
Very good! That toilet should never ever fly again!
Any settlement costs will be passed on the either the consumer, taxpayer or shareholder. The people that should feel the brunt of this will never be touched, and they know this. The world is a toilet bowl.
DEI comes first at Boeing!
FAA and air traffic control too
Profits comes first
Absurd ambulance chasers
3 psi pressure differential will not make your ears bleed
Legitimate endangerment lawsuit. Airlines and airplane manufacturers must learn from their negligence
More like seven greedy passengers spotting an opportunity to get paid off. And people complain about corporate greed. And no I’m not part of the corporate world before you start slinging mud.
$50k settlement per passenger is appropriate 😅plus free first class travel to anywhere within USA including Hawaii and Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
This is good. Boeing has been cutting corners.
I see, you’re the NTSB authority on that right?
Needs to be done. Boeing has been too focused on profits at the expense of safety this is unacceptable.
Make Boeing pay for its errors and negligence !
The fact the two seats beside the plug were unassigned despite a fully booked flight is suspect to me. It implies the airline was aware of the issue and did not book those seats intentionally.
So true! It does make one wonder!
Conspiracy nuts are so tiresome.
Agree
Air leaking through the plug door makes loud noise.
Thought I heard 178 capacity, 171 passengers, so 7 empty seats. Is that something like 4500 to 1 that 2 of the empty seats would be next to each other x the number of window seats to give the chance those 2 empty seats were next to that window. Not right I’m sure but it does seem curious.
Sheer terror
Time has come for a in depth investigation on Boeing and its providers
Yawn 🥱
Who didn’t see that coming? What Lawyer ambulance chasing group filed that?
How can they file suit when its starting to look like it was Spirit Aviation was at fault.
It is not at all clear whether Spirit has any part of the fault.
Doesn’t matter. Sprit is just a sub contractor. Boeing has final responsibility for delivering a certified, safe aircraft.
The investigation is 2 weeks old give it time to be resolved then sue good grief it will be a year before a final report is out
Better check them wing bolts. lol Go Airbus
FAA is in Boeings pocket. Congress too.
Alaska Airlines is offering these passengers $1,500 each. Just take the money, shut up and consider yourself lucky that you’re still alive.
It should be enough to cover there hotel bill and meals. I expect they also get another flight, since this one was uncompleted.
I would be embarrassed if I were a passenger and had been asked to be a part of this. I hope the judge throws it in the trash. Imagine if someone sued GM for emotional distress after a tailgate fell off 😂
A few people had injuries. If I were uninjured, I wouldn’t join a class action, but I won’t say there is no basis for this.
The real payoff with this suit will be safer planes. Boeing: I’ll volunteer to check bolts with my harborfreight torque wrench if that’ll help.
I have 1 thing to say, sue them out of existence!! This is not the same company that built the iconic 727,747,757,767 and Triple 7. That company has been dead for a long time. This current company, is McDonnell Douglas with a Boeing mask. The fact that a great American institution and standard bearer like Boeing would merge with the company that built the DC-10☠️, still has me scratching my head . 🤔
Management needs to step down
So which manager lol? Are you going to name him, or do you just have an incomplete thought.
Weird presenters,funny head movements
And the leeches smell money.
Jack Welch Capitalism fails again.
Why they build a “fake-door”. Build an emergency-exit-door in and all is good.
You can not have enough exits in case of emergency……
Seems they can add terrorizing the pilots with the cockpit door flying open “by design” that Boeing never bothered to Alaska Airlines staff or put in manual!
Why don’t we wait until the NTSB does the analysis on the event, I get really annoyed by the trolls on these things making their uninformed comments when they have the intellect of a Popeye Pez dispenser…
Of course! Glad to see it. Boeing IS liable.
Never trust the person before you did it correctly. I’ve seen many do that with bad results.
Good!
Greed doesn’t pay.
The only people gaining anything from a class action lawsuit is lawyers. Even if you win, 80% of the win is eaten up by the legal fees. The American legal system is odd. In Europe, the losing party pays the legal fees, and legal fees are quite well regulated in general.
Oxygen masks usually do not appear to work. Most people assume massive amounts of air rushing out that mask and inflating the bag, when in reality, as the security briefing actually explicitly tells you, none of those things happen. The required oxygen flow for safe breathing is actually surprisingly low, given the fact it is pure oxygen. All of this is well known and told to people in the security briefing.
Not much of a class with only 7 people.
There will be a quick settlement, and lawyers will keep 90% of the money. 🙄
This incident (and others) is a clear example of a lesson many organizations fail to grasp – corner-cutting ultimately _degrades_ shareholder value, not enhances it.
Safety-first culture is essential to a healthy business.
how about
criminal charges ?
😡😡😡grrr grrr
Wait a little while longer then buy as many shares as you can. The US government won’t let Boeing fail.
Sue ‘em broke!
Have ya ever noticed when ya don’t watch Business it ALWAYS lies, cheats and robs?
WAKE UP
The word defect is the wrong term Fuselage failure due to human negligence A malpractice.
How long can he still be CEO of Boeing?
The police should give him a free “motel”
A unsatisfactory condition like a missing fastener I s fixable. A discontinuity like missing paint or incorrect lock wire is repairable but a defect cannot be repaired without engineering disposition and is rejected Put on the shelf send back to vendor. Your event had several unsats and a few discontinuities like hole for cotter pin not in line. A defect would have been a crack or delamination. There were no defects.
I dont understand why people complain, Boing has a woke agenda and has to fill out the job openings based on race, not skills. This is what happens
It’s time for your meds kiddo
Not a a good excuse to be lacklustre.
I don’t see this going anywhere, no one was injured and the masks did work, you can see them in hanging down in the pictures. You’re not going to collect a quarter of a million dollars for being scared, sad but true.
Boeing will put more effort into fight this suit than they did to make sure their plane was safe
When you hire new techs young technicans because you force your senior guys out because of COVID mandates this was bound to happen. They forgot to torque the door bolts 100 percent. My advice stay off any new planes
You would expect a shareholder suit at some point against management.
Regardless of what punishment Boeing has earned, this lawsuit is SOOO ‘Murican! Startle or scare an ‘Murican and you will be sued – if you have any money to make it worthwhile. Boeing is in trouble because of greed, ‘Murica is in dire straits because of greed. Mutual annihilation…
Not only those passengers, but a lot of other passengers are going to simply, vote with their feet. I reckon Boeing is going down, they didn’t learn from their last mistake, the traveling public have no more patience or confidence in Boeing any more, and they’re going to boycott Boeing aircraft, I am…
The real problem is Boeing doesn’t care like many big companies they replaced humanity with Greed for more money. Break them up to big to manage
If it’s Boeing I’m not going 🎉
Will another sweetheart “justice” dealer and the rolling door be deployed this time ?
That drop in share price is crazy.
Boeing sells thousands of aircraft which each cost one or two hundred million. Share price should be an estimation of all total profit time adjusted to now. So with a company which has hundreds of billions in total future revenues, if not trillions, you can see the profits will be sky high.
How much do the share holders think the passengers will get? That share price dropped by over 3% there is no way on earth this law suit will come to a few billion in damages, but the stock market is over compensating massively.
Which is cheaper and faster: 1. designing a new plane 2. rushing out a dangerous one
DEI in action?
my coworker was on that flight.
Add.max 8 too.they are same..wake truth now in.WA.
They’re new focus on DEI instead of Competency in Hiring people has Failed miserably…. That’s the Problem, less competent but that’s not what’s important to Boeing
Class action means nothing, the people don’t get much money, especially if they have no medical treatment.
Its taxpayer who will end up paying
Alaska Airlines is next. They aren’t innocent at all. The fact that they received three depressurization warnings in the two weeks preceding this accident, yet simply ignored it and just kept hitting the reset button, is simply unacceptable.
People rely on those warning systems to work, yet when they do, we don’t believe them. We immediately jump to the conclusion that it must be a glitch.
If your carbon monoxide detector suddenly starts going off, are you going to just keep smashing the reset button until it hopefully stops? Or are you going to think “hmm, what if there’s carbon monoxide in this room?”
OR, if the consensus is that the warning system is indeed glitching… wouldn’t you want to fix the system itself? Alaska Airlines’ lawyer’s heads must be spinning 😵💫
Is there an actual name for this phenomenon? Relying on a warning system to work yet not believing it when it does? There must be. People do it with their check-engine lights, too.
You have to tug on the mask and tube to get the oxygen going!!!! They never tell you that???
Why service access? There’s no door there, and no access to anything!
If Boeing wasn’t so powerful in the USA this would be investigated as a crime.
Think about it… a lot of people have already died because they are making garbage, now this! Boeing is absolutely criminally responsible for a new jet that blew out a panel.
Oh good, I found the section of society that takes everything in this world for Granted!! Boeing Airplanes have killed less people than all combined car manufactures in the world. It’s taken generations of research and engineering to accomplish one of the most sophisticated reliable products presently in the history of man kind. This advanced technology grants YOU the freedom to travel all over the world with just a couple of clicks on a keyboard. A business is simply a group people with the same common goal and The Boeing Company has a track record of moving people from Point A to Point B with less than 0.00001% incidents. (fun fact; As of 2024 Washington State businesses can no-longer require individuals to take a drug test.
And guess who will be building your CHOICE of transportation..
Remember when people would say “If it’s not Boeing, I ain’t going”.
If a class action has materialized this fast it is not likely because passengers got together to initiate, but rather because shyster lawyers see an opportunity for easy money and have reached out the passengers.
The oxygen masks are working though the bag may not inflate
man owning Boeing Share is like a bungee jump ..there is no denying it
You can kiss the 777X Entry Into Service next year goodbye. I bet the 777X has a lot of Max”s bad habits embedded in the project. Am not a betting man but missing the 7X 2025 EIS is a sure bet. How times and fortunes have changed at McDonell Douglas. Boeing died in 1997, sure, it says Boeing infront of the shop but the logo beside the estemeed Boeing name and everything else inside the shop is McDonell Douglas 😢
Imagine not telling the customers buying your plane and the pilots flying them that in the event of a sudden depressurisation the cockpit door is designed to fly open sucking all your paperwork and checklists out the door — You honestly could not make it up
I now feel emotionally traumatized about people claiming emotional trauma in a lawsuit. 🙄
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I would prefer to travel in a Chiene Jet rathar than Max.
Boing Boing gone…
Absolutely
I will never fly on a 737 MAX. The design of that model is fundamentally flawed.
To solve the problem with panic, it should be sufficient to let the cabin crew demonstrate before departure how the passengers need to react in cases when one or more doors fall off.
Yes do a class action it may force Boeing to return to the basic..pay employee and have good technicians no bankers or lawyers.
This couldn’t be good for Alaska airline
They won’t have any trouble finding a good lawyer to fight for them.
Permanent solution is to move the production line out of Seattle?
Washington state wpuld
So Alaska airlines flight diverted in the name of safety after the door blew off instead of continuing to the destination, and passengers are suing??? And no one got injured? If Alaska’s airlines DIDN’T divert, THAT would be a reason to sue. So typical of arrogant America!
The FIX seems so simple. FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS