In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges African National Congress (ANC) stalwart Baleka Mbete on whether, in the 25 years since apartheid, her party has betrayed Nelson Mandela’s legacy and the dreams of South Africa’s rainbow nation.
Over the past quarter century, access to education has significantly improved and the rights of all South Africans to free basic healthcare has been guaranteed.
But the ANC’s successes have been overshadowed by rising youth unemployment, recent xenophobic attacks on African immigrants and ongoing allegations of systemic corruption, with former President Jacob Zuma currently facing trial.
From fighting apartheid, Mbete rose to become one of South Africa’s most powerful women, serving as deputy president, speaker of the National Assembly, and chair of the ANC.
We ask whether the ANC, and Mbete personally, have done enough to hold Zuma to account, and keep Mandela’s dream of a united Africa alive.
Hasan and Mbete are joined by a panel of three experts:
– Makhosi Khoza – former South African politician who resigned from the ANC in 2017, after calling for President Zuma to step down
– Xolani Xala – founder of South African Business Abroad and member of the ANC
– Andrew Feinstein – former South African politician and author of ‘After the Party: A Personal Journey Inside the ANC’. He is now director of Corruption Watch UK
Has South Africa’s ruling party betrayed Mandela’s legacy? With Baleka Mbete, first broadcast on October 18, 2019, at 20:00 GMT with repeats on October 19 at 12:00GMT, October 20 at 01:00 GMT, and October 21 at 06:00 GMT.
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ANC CADRE DEPLOYMENT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND CYRIL WAS INVOLVED. ZUMA AND CYRIL = STATE CAPTURE. YOUNG PEOPLE: “Where is the electricity” 19 May 2022 Daily Maveric Reports: Marikana – a massacre still without any criminal consequences
ANC waht a disgrace to South Africa, this woman just confirm it.
Her I.Q. is lower than my Domestic housekeeper.
Freedom fighters terrorist murder mayhem poverty are its trade mark what does this society expect from a party that murders its own people to gain power then lies to them teaches them violence and kills the worker while closing down economy so that the same people dont know did not know wont know remove maths science and you rule by hate wow you really are inspiring the next generation its ok to hold babies and old peoples hands with bloodcrusted fingetnails
This woman is a superstar, the fact that she was the speaker of that parliament alone shows that she has seen it all.
good luck if Medi thinks he can break her.
Watching this video from my home south of Johannesburg whilst in the midst of the biggest energy crises our country has faced. Corruption has crippled our country and our structures, It has become a multi-layered pit with seemingly no solution in plain sight.
Imagine if ramaphosa was put through this today…
Yes the corrupted president of South Africa, Cyril Ramaposa is worse than Jacob Zuma and the rest of the Corrupted Cadres who have destroyed South Africa in one foulest swoop
Balahlile yo
a great host, i sincerely hope you can do one immediately about cadre deployment and the current rate of corruption and the 4 cartels that is robbing south africans of their own resources, including the public persecution of the ex CEO Andre De Ruyter for whistleblowing and whistleblowers in common
Yes and the issue of putting the ANC above the people of the country even those who voted them into poweer
Shxt this is 3 years ago, still the same story now
The ANC just simply doesn’t care, no will power to want to improve the country. The Golden Goose has long been killed
The ANC truly have no idea what is happening on ground level. I really pity the people in our poor communities. I pray that you open your eyes and vote for somebody else.
I want to see Mehdi Hasan interview Julius Malema. That would be very entertaining.
WHAT WERE THE CONSEQUENCES OF ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED NOTHING ZERO FOLL NADA A N C ABSOLUTE NO CONSEQUENCES / ANOTHER NIGHT WITH CANDLES
JY KOTS BOLLIE ANTIE NET SO DOM SOOS GROND EN JOU KOLEGAS
YOU CAN MAKE EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE FOR YOUR FAMILIARS THE ANC ARE DOOMED AT A POINT OF NO RETURN YES NO RETURN YOU ARE FINISH DEAD GOODBYE AND VOETSEK
THE ANC FELL ON THIER FACE WITH IT’S HANDS IN IT’S POCKETS YOU COULDN’T DO THE JOB YOU CAN’T DO THE JOB AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT YOU MADE A MESS OF IT YOU FAILED TOO MANY MISTAKE YOU CANNOT RIGHTUOS YOU MESSED UP THIS COUNTRY BEYOND REPARE THE ANC ARE A MOVEMENT WITH GOALS THEY ARE NOT LEADERS WHO CAN RUN A COUNTRY
GOOD LORD YOU DIDN’T SAY I AM SOORRY WTF
HOOR EN LUISTER DIE SISI NA DIE KAK WAT UIT HAAR MOND KOM
WRONG YOU HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE THINKING WITH YOUR BACKSIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO WRKING BRAIN CELLS BETWEEN YOUR EARS
THE LAND OWNED BY THE WHITE MINORITY ARE PRODUCTIVE LAND CONTRIBUTING TO FOOD SECURITY
The whole anc is a complete den of iniquity of corruption of all the minister’s concerned, they are a bunch of thieving bastards who deserve a few cold jail corruption
This should be the most embarrassing interview in years 💔
😢
How embarrassing.
What a woman. How did she get into power.
Nope black in SOUTH AFRICA is racist BLACK EMPOWERMENT, AA, and and. Its lies, period. No electricity, no work, no investment, corruptions and so we can go on
Of coarse Apr.1994 was the start to Destroy Nelson Mandela’s Legacy,there is nothing for the ANC to celebrate.Cry Beloved SA,a of ANC SHAME.
This was bad. I could feel even Mehdi hesitated to pour more fuel rather he smartly pointed and moved on to the next.
People in audience state of shock disbelief this devils women
She’s learning for the first time … Did she say that at her election campaign rallies?
This man did nothing for south Africa but invited corruption and whole world into our country and this women you are interviewing breaths corruptions herself.
The Mandela lie, Mbeki arms deal corruption, Zuma the rapist & Cyril on the fiddle ! This Mbete woman is a cabbage apologist for her thieving party.
…brutal but true
@Spencer Courtis Workshy thieving vermin – the lot of them !
LMAOOO I LOVE HER. She’s a true politician… it’s in her DNA
ANC is a communist party. Margaret Thatcher was correct
Greed, greed, greed……. This woman only represents greed.
No accountability whatsoever,
Phalaphala farmgate
She answered zero questions
Medi 😂😂😂😂😂😂 he’s just being a journalist
What more embarrassing is listening to baleka not have a single line coming out of her mouth making any sense
Lucky Dube said it : It is a mickey mouse freedom….
How can you be neutral when you support the ruling party? 😂
Yeah the last 27 years now in 2023..the ANC ruling party has very successful made them selves into multi millionaire.s and billionaires..where a financial investigation to be done .into how Many offshore accounts each of ruling party ANC members have and how much those offshore accounts are presently holding you will find billions of rand from our country that has been sifoned off in secret into offshore private accounts with stolen billions from south African. Which was sent to south To benifit the whole country..via mega billions being sent to our country to uplift the country as a whole…billions in bailout to SAA.Eskom..and other ..SOE .. state owned enterprises…ANC running the top positions in all departments..as usual..and the ANC Members receive the billions ..then nothing
As usual the anc can’t own up to the mistakes they made rather making themselves the victims
Bla bla bla is all she can do…….she is too clever for her panties
Why don’t you interview Thabo himself I’m sure he will mop the floor with you
These devil narcissists should be charged for treason
I watched short cuts of this interview from tik tok, it’s deeply hurting embarrassing to see this. (11/05/2023)
The ANC will be the death of us 🇿🇦
20:00
“Its not helpful but its true”, it was a controversial statement until sizokuthola hit the air, now its common knowledge.
😂😂😂😂The problem is, those in the house of commons steal only one house. In South Africa the politically connected, steal All the houses😂😂😂😂
ACCOUNTAB ILITY IS STILL A BIG PROBLEM FOR THE ANC………
so embarrassing as a South African 😭😭😭😭😭😭
South Africa has become an international embarrassment . And this was 3 years ago. Things only got worse since then. South Africa is far worse than in the apartheid era. At least everyone had food on their table. Clean clinics and hospitals. Quality education. And everyone had jobs.
@Xolani, which South Africans ?
Watching this on 12 May 2023. Things have just gone worse in South Africa and still the ANC is not accepting accountability
How could you allow this to happen….. This interview was not supposed to happen it didn’t weaker ANC this American people should stop interfering in African issue… They want their poppet to roll this country…. Go to America u will this kind of issues we have
The ANC is a fake liberation movement. They’re actually the worst enemy of the South African people. Everything about the ANC is an absolute deception. Citizens are worse off than before.
One thing I admire of South Africans they are transparent….
She’s psychopathic. She does not see anything wrong with herself or the ANC. No remorse, no guilt, no feelings, nothing. It’s just business as usual.
Never argue with a well versed criminal.
You can see that she is covering up something about our government, I did not even know that she is this old.
3 years on we are 1000 x worse
“What security was the swimming pool providing the president?”
“In his view that was not a swimming pool”
This might be one of the dumbest responses I’ve ever heard from a human being.
These people laughed at mandelas face!
She’s smiliing through all of this!.
Wow South Africa is a joke
She is showing us the inner workings of communism. She hides behind the bureaucratic state so well, you might mistake her for a Chinese politician 😂.
We thank you speaker for showing up. U Really showed the world how useless is that ANC of yours,with you bad attitude
IF YOU WANT THE HONEST BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN OPINION MANDELA SOLD US OUT
What this lady is saying is very embarrassing
She looks very corrupt
How did she became a Vice President
Because she is completely empty up there
South Africa is definitely and without doubt a gangester sate; the ANC and the government are a bunch of thieves, robbers of South Arica’ s wealth, and have sold south Africa to Russia and China.
an amphitheatre is a health facility for the president?
The question should be is the Mandela legacy worth living up to and what is this so called legacy and will it benefit if we were to continue in that parth .
Very. Goog
Oh yes ! But Mandela himself messed up by allowing ORANIA. THAT WAS FIRST CLASS BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY. How can we stop other people who want self determination now? We have a precedence.
I am sorry! I am black but I am embarrassed to be black. I don’t know where to hide myself. I can’t be proud of corruption. I don’t have any straight face. We are a world embarrassment. Sorry.
Oh please. I didnt take rocket science to figure out the inevitable downward spiral frm 1st world to 3rd world. It was a no brainer.
Dam Nigerians lol
Poor journalism!! allow the speakers to respond freely, more especially when they want to respond with actual facts. Again, I’m not taking away the corrupt and inability of the institutions of governance to fulfill their responsibility
Kakistocracy
She got paid R2mil a year to do absolutely fokkol, cheers to you for having a lavish lifestyle while the people you are supposed to protect the people of South Africa suffer
Lets put this in perspective. After WW2, many cities in Europe and Japan were left bombed flat, London, Berlin, Nagasaki, Hiroshima and so on, their economies likewise.
For many years afterwards there was still rationing going on but with hard work, there was a will to move on and get over it.
Within 30 years all were completely restored with thriving economies and Japan had becoming a manufacturing powerhouse.
Now compare this to South Africa, the opposite has happened, South Africa is fast approaching 30 years after Apartheid, the ANC has chewed on the fat of the cow till it is now skin and bones. When the ANC took over they had a perfectly well functioning economy. Year by year something breaks, is stolen or stops working but all is blamed on Apartheid.
Money is either wasted on ANC pet projects, ridiculous ideologies or siphoned off by their own corrupt cadres.
Just look at the trend and you can see where it is going.
They brought in AA and other racist laws made it impossible for a retrenched white person to become re-employed. It is no wonder, so many have fled the country, yet the ANC wonder why they have gone. Now their tax base has shrunk, the lights are out, ESKOM is stuffed, the crime is sky high, the water is polluted, matric pass marks lowered to meaningless levels, cell phone towers cant keep their batteries, farms no longer function, trains bought from China that don’t suite the existing rail gauge, roads are potholed with more holes than Swiss cheese, copper is being stolen from the main Jhb-Durban corridor and shipped to China etc.
The only thing left for ANC to stoop to is to do what that tyrant Mugabe did, loose an election, no problem just FIX the votes, the only damned thing they would be capable of doing 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
As a South African I felt embarrassed the way ghis leader is responding to the questions.She is very clueless but I blame the ANC for this not her.We are poorly represented.
we are in shambles 😪😪😪
I do have a calculator that is used every day. The average South African will never get to see a million rand but reads news billions stolen. FKN thieves.
I so hate the term Rhode Scholar. And this is a term being used by a person that comes from Africa.
mehdi is such an absolute unit of an interviewer.
What a monster! Amazing interview! Terrifying answers given!
I love the way Ms Baleka Mbete responds to questions. She speaks nice English. I always follow her speeches and discussions.
Wherever mandela is hes disappointed this is not what he fought for
How can any South African vote for these people? They only care about themselves.
People will really know Africa now
I think the audience are always the same people. Maybe his buddies to pretend to be the public putting their questions and opinions when it may have just been under his narrative as several woman was on the rape lgbt episode and an several from a different episode as I watched these episodes in a row and noticed them… suspect audiences
HIV does not cause aids. That’s quite true. Blood to blood contact with an infected person does… then it becomes hiv after contracted…. So technically he isn’t wrong
Another western created virus 🦠 created by the west and unleashed onto the ones considered undesirable. The lgbt 🏳️🌈 and drug users… and they are also the coloured people…
Greed sees no colour!
Some kings enrich their own kingdoms by plundering another kingdom.
Some kings enrich themselves by plundering their own kingdoms.
Africa’s leaders continue trading their people’s welfare to the highest bidder since the slave trade!
In South Africa, the masses now look to ‘privileged minority’ to keep the ship afloat.
The greatest threat to corrupt ANC leaders & imperial powers alike, are an industrious few!
RSA is now overcrowded with illegal African foreigners who have left their own failed states.
There are exceptions to every norm
A disproportionate amount of Nigerian nationals residing in RSA are drug peddlers: FACT!
As a governing party trying to keep xenophobic attacks from continueing, uttering such truths are unwise.
ANC must however curb this influx on foreign nationals, especially illegal foreigners.
Let’s get our own HOME in order