Is religion a force for good or evil? A controversial question at times, but one that can’t be avoided in the modern world. From violence and terror, to gender equality, to science, reason, and education, the faithful and the faithless tend to repeatedly clash over whether religion is a net positive or negative, whether it helps humanity more than it hurts it.
“Religion is both a force of good and evil because religion is a manmade institution, and human beings are both good and evil,” says Reza Aslan, a scholar of religion and best-selling author. “I don’t know why it would come as a surprise to learn that the religious institutions that we create can also be responsible for profound acts of good and compassion and positivity, and for equally profound acts of violence and bigotry and hatred.”
Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist and atheist, says religious institutions tend to be harmful to people.
“Religious institutions have not only usurped the notion of morality, but on the whole promulgate ideas that are not useful, and often harmful for people, and take many people, many, many, many people, who simply want to ask questions about the universe and make them feel bad,” says Krauss.
When asked whether people will outgrow religion, Aslan, who just released his latest book God: A Human History, says we are not going to outgrow faith.
“The fact of the matter is that religion has always been in a state of evolution,” says Aslan. “Scientific knowledge is going to change religion. It’s going to alter religious people, but it won’t make it go away.”
Krauss, who is also a best-selling author of numerous books on science, including his latest, The Greatest Story Ever Told – So Far, doesn’t believe religion will disappear, but says more will turn to science.
“When I was a young person, I thought by now we would have outgrown religion because, let’s face it, the evidence of science is that there’s no evidence for anything, for any purpose to the universe, any divine inspiration,” says Krauss. “The more scientific literacy there is, the less of the intellectual basis will be there to support religion and we’ll see more and more people finding other ways to add meaning and purpose to their lives.”
In this week’s UpFront special, Reza Aslan and Lawrence Krauss debate religion’s place in society, whether religion is inherently violent, and if religion will continue to exist in years to come.
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Mehdi! Well done! I love Reza too! He is so logical!
YES WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY 💯 JACKIE
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: yeees
Interesting people……..
What he means is if we just only didn’t have religion other than his…
I wish more debates were like this one where both are clearly mature, educated, respectful and know what they’re talking about.
One thing I know is there is life and there is death..it is same for all even if a person is religious or not..Death has no partiality..That is the fact above God and science.
I’ve seen the moderator here get absolutely destroyed by Sam Harris, he did a good job here considering both sides and providing useful retorts and questions, along with clarification. I’m glad you’re growing as a person bro.
_”I’ve seen the moderator here get absolutely destroyed by Sam Harris,”_
Have they ever spoken or just twitter exchanges? I’ve seen Harris debate Aslan before.
@Mark H yea he’s debated him and has separately debated Richard Dawkins. He used a lot of fallacies, couldn’t control his temper, nothing like what you saw here
@Ivan Alvarez I can’t find anything with Sam Harris and Mehdi Hasan. I’ll watch the one with Dawkins.
I’ve seen him in action before. He’s a well spoken, highly intelligent man who is intellectually dishonest whenever the topic involves religion.
Fantastic debate, including the host.
Apatheist. Nice word. 😁
Lol the other guy isn’t even religious . Strange champion for a Science v Religion debate .
“We’re not discussing religion. We’re discussing faith!” – when the whole show is about religion 😀
Athiesm it self is a new religion which worships the science
Where religion is absent people fight with each other on the basis of ethnicity, skin colour, decades ago colonialism/ Emperialism history just study East Asia geopolitics this is the current social scenario there
If that’s the case, will morality not exist too since it’s part of those religious beliefs?
Or we just follow the philosophers? They might be the one replacing the higher beings people believe in their religion
We need History and Psychology instead of religion (theism) and atheism.
Religion created all d wars of d past and todate
Hitler was an Atheist tho
Hitler is an atheist.
Always better off without any religion.
For the most part religion has been used as a recruitment for leader’s objectives…Just ask yourself, how much those leaders know about religious…it’s about: territory, resources, wealth power…
If there was no God how could you ever existed?
religion ain’t the problem…POLITICS is.
Just the very fact that Lawrence keeps interrupting Raza, and saying things that he “believes” he knows a lot better than Raza does, who obviously spends more time studying these things than he does, shows the arrogance in the kind of atheist thinking he has. And the moderator is uttely annoying for not allowing his guests to finish their thoughts.
Where did you find this atheist? He represents the worst type of atheism. He keeps trying to trigger an emotional response. Pathetic…
Ban religions
Philosophers have never can neve explain evil, but the creation of a ‘Satan’ does give people a scapegoat for their wickedness, doesn’t it? Superstition has always plagued humans. and It could very well mean our extinction. Religion is almost pure superstition with a few wise platitudes thrown in to justify the nonsense. Humans are crafty and discovered rationality through philosophy and facts through science to circumvent and quash superstition, but there’s not enough of us- and too much evil.
It is an observable fact that religion can be a technology (vehicle) for social transformation, whether good, or bad. However, there is no observable fact found in religion of any form being a literal connection with a higher being, or entity. Outside of the function of the individual brain of a believer, the divine cannot be observed with any technological apparatus. You must believe, first, before you can hope to see anything miraculous. Such a preferential bias distorts the objectivity required to distinguish fact from fiction.
Stop islam to EU !!!!!
There are christians !!!!
The Great Creator of All Existence
All existence is all within the Great Creator.
The Great Creator is far more Massive and complex than the God worshipers realize and understand.
The Great Creator is a huge mass of spirits in perfect unity. And with the same care for one another.
The Great Creator, Matter, Knowledge, Energy, Time and Space Has Always Existed. All Without Beginning or end.
Beginning and End only reveals an absence.
Creation is only the rearrangement of Matter. As Matter does not evolve from nothing.
Truth is All That Truly Exists.
Other Than Truth there is Just The understood Concept of An Absence.
Lies with intent to deceive or not is fantasy. Lies remain in the nonexistent realm.
Knowledge is a major energy force, in spirit form. It is Knowledge that makes creation possible. And knowledge is not created in the brain of the Human. The brain was only intelligently designed too understand knowledge.
There Are a Great Many Gods, That have been worshiped. And are being worshiped.
Gods are just imaginary Mythical personages of worship, Gods are not Creators.
How Many Gods Are There?
The most common answer to this question is that there are 330 million gods, but if you ask anyone to give their names, no one would be able to do so. Gods are in the world of Fantasy.
Gods are not real. so there is no honest reason to call
Gods Creators. Or to call the only Great Creator a God.
Christianity has corrupted the understanding of humanity and the English language.
Fathers are not creators. It takes both father and Mother to create a child and the mother has more to do with the creation than does the father. The child is attached to the mother for nine months receiving nutriments for the creation. Christianity has refused to give honest respect to the Mother . And they have exalted the male with the lie that the Father is the creator of the child.
The God worshipers fear proceeding beyond those prison walls and bars that do not exist. The prison of those God worshipers are only in the World of Fantasy.
The worshipers of the Gods are in Idolatry.
The Great Creator never did require the sacrifice of animals. That was all in the worship of the imaginary mythical Gods. Far be it the sacrificing of the human as in Christianity.
Christianity promotes Human Sacrifice. They even have a ritual pretending they are eating Jesus’s flesh and drinking his blood. That is the promotion of Cannibalism.
The basic principle of Christianity is unjust, it is fraud. To kill one man for the crime of all humanity is truly fraud.
Who is honest enough to face the consequences for their own crime? And not try to Pin it one some one else?
Christianity worship one of those Imaginary mythical unjust Gods that they claim has a torture chamber that tortures forever all of those who are not deceived in the fantasy of Christianity.
Christianity does not believe in the one they claim to fallow. This is what he taught and lived. : Hate Not, Love and Care for All Other as You Would Like to be Loved and Cared for. Our Ancient Brother Jesus refused to kill any human.
Christianity goes to other nations and successfully deceives many of them in the worshiping of their Imaginary Mythical Gods.
Then, they go to war for the nation that they worship and kills their own member of their own churches.
Christianity’s basic principles promotes dishonesty.
Christianity claims you are not to live by your own Honest understanding. You are to accept what you are told. By the promoters of Christianity. You need no proof or understanding.
Those in Christianity should not be harshly judged. As most have been born in that prison without walls or bars. fearing to leave those boundaries’ of fantasy that they have been taught all of their life.
They should be given compassion. As Honesty is very difficult to obtain after being taught dishonesty from a child.
words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe.
To accept other’s opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing.
We must understand to believe.
Until Next time: Sweet Dreams: Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help.
Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible.
Just whispers, of the Ghost of Reality.
What do we call ppl who have faith and believe in God , but don’t want to follow any religion?🤔
I’m guessing you’re referring to Yahweh when you say god or Allah like the Muslim say. Last time I checked most other religion are based on science and human conscious. Without believing in a god but rather try to understand the world via science and philosophy. Can you even call them religious? They’re more like a community who have same beliefs.
6:35 Oooh he impressed me every time……what an argument Reza Aslan
18:26 OMG Reza just casually destroyed the other person’s whole argument
Eyman Aslan I was actually referring to the sarcasm Reza did by saying I’m not a cosmologist by I see start 😂 that was below the belt and just dusting all his arguments
What about the crusades? These wars were Christians against moslems.. So religions are violent..religions are used for whatever man wants..Religion will always be used as a tool by man
Large segments of the earth live without religion. Seems obvious.
Without religon nobody would have any morals or understanding of what is right or wrong. Just take a look at atheists and how confused they always are.
wish more debate in this quality, with respect to each other and with meaningful arguments
A world without a religion is like living in the dark, we need religion to guide us to heaven, by accepting its terms and conditions, I mean Islam, I love my religion, and I am proud 💪💯❤
‘They will find spirituality in reality’? What a dumb statement. How does one presupposes a ‘spirit’ another thing yet unseen, not proven by science yet but still claims and accepts its existence? Spirit..
👎👎👎👎
Islam stands for peaceful submission… I don’t see what the central topic of discussion is?? NB! Anything that goes against peace is contrary to “Islam”… So we have the “religion”, the “Leaders” and the “masses”… If Islam is a religion of peace, where does the problem lie?
Krauss needs to do some basic research he is a Physicist – one thing he should have clear in his mind that Theoretical Physics in reality knows nothing and thats a fact. They change their theories like the wind blows. They know perhaps 0.00000000001% of the Universe – they theorize all day long only to change a few years later. Richard Dawkins as any example in any conversation is a joke – RD spews BS all day long reminds me of that Guru clown in India
After a lot of thought for many years, I eventually agree with Reza Aslan. I believe in the complexity and power of human emotion and agree with Reza on the point of the infinite malleability of a supposedly sacred text (in terms of application and interpretation). Religions are in a continuous state of evolution because human beings and human societies are in a continuous state of evolution. Spirituality will always remain prevalent among human beings with or without organized religion. But yes, the important thing to remember is that the RELIGIONS ARE MAN-MADE.
I think the absence of true religion is the problem. Especially religion as it should be practiced.
There’s the rub….. Democracy. What is that, and whose democracy?
WORLD IS BETTER WITHOUT ISLAM
南海观世音大慈大悲救苦救难❤️🌈
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All the God 🌈💖🙏🏻the same (大慈大悲救苦救难)
Muslim scientists and polymaths had come up with Modern Scientific Method, which is adhered to by entire World, including Krauss himself adheres to.
Accordi to this secular scientist ; there is no God because is no evidence!!
1) The evidence is you firstable
2) earth
3) skies
3) stars (which you are looking in your telescope)
Etc, etc
According to your teaching…, all criminals should be free because we never sow tham do the crime!
The ather think…, why atheist belive that they own the science?!
What makes you believe that an religious person can’t be a scientist?
Didn’t we learn:
1) algebra from religious people?
2) didn’t we get algorithms, trigonometry, geometry from religious people?
3) didn’t religious people do the first eye operation and being the first surgeon?
3) didn’t religious people established the first universities?
University of al-Qarawiyyin
Established in 857 AD by a woman Fatima Al Fihri
= University of Al-Azhar in Kairo founded in 979 AD
4) didn’t religious people invented quadrant and astrolabe and built observatories to study the sky?
5) Al-khemi
—when it comes to war and killing, is not that religion is coursing wars. It is human greed and arrogance. Did not Saling killed more than 12 million people (an atheist)???? Poll Pot, Hitler etc?
Was ww1 and ww2 done by religious people
Think harder professors
Only one Faith causing Problems all over the world. Religious Extremism. Whole World knows this.
my view on religion : what ever powerful force exists I am grateful for Marijuana, My view on science : How do you make Marijuana more potent. my view politics legalise marijuana. My view on what people should do ? stop all wars and silly political , national and all division and lets all smoke marijuana together
We need religion today and we need to accept faith and love. We just don’t need religion in politics, and politics in religion. It is two distinct realms. One is spiritual, another flesh.
Religion, the biggest con ever played on mankind.
We go to church because we are not good, we are there to repent.
I think atheists are emotionally unstable people, they replace God with dogs, now that is just sick
His intro oh my goodness me
Yeh… Just i wt was looking for , Raja aslan interviewed by you Mehdi ….
I love mehdi Hassan but he needs to learn to stop interrupting people in the middle of a question that he asks lol. U still da man tho
Reza aslan supremacy
Oh boy Reza- you really never fail to bring up your “credentials” in conversation.
The title “would we be better to Off without Religion ?” My question how an atheist knows what is good or evil ? How do they measure it? Isn’t it nonsense ?
I have watched Reza in every debate, and there is always that moment when he calls the other person either illiterate, amateur, or not qualified to talk about religion, implying that he has STUDIED religion. Ok, we get it Reza, you have a PhD in Religion Studies, but please discuss, not label. And you don’t have to insistently, almost always, imply that you know about religion more than anyone in the room and the others are intellectually inferior to you in this respect.
YES, YES WE WPULD BE BETYER ODF EITHOUT RELIGION! Salman Rushdie was violently attacked on American soil today. If Islam was a “peaceful religion” then he never would of had a fatwa placed on his life. It’s 2022.
Promulgate : I can spell it , first time I heard it used was today ! What does “promulgate “mean ??
I am an Islamic believer, religion is a way of living for individuals and societies. And the nature of human is intellectual moral being. So the human intelligence can bring human to do tremendous good or evil, then human morality needed to control human intelligence to do good. If a world exists without religions, human being still have to come up with a religion-like ideology so human being can interact with each others.
I cant help but laugh at these clueless idiots
“Faith is the worst curse of mankind, as the exact antithesis and enemy of thought.”
“I ask them if they believe in God. And if they say they do- then I know they don’t believe in life. Because, you see, God- whatever one chooses to call God- is the highest conception of the highest possible. And whoever places his highest conception above his own possibility thinks very little of himself and his life. It’s a rare gift, you know, to feel reverence for your own life and to want the best, the greatest, the highest possible, here, now, for your very own. To imagine a heaven and then not to dream of it, but to demand it.” (Ayn Rand)
Someone ask how long he had to sleep in the dog house, please
We can pray direct. Get rid of the money changers.
When it’s about Islam radicalization then it’s about all religions problem🤣🤣🤣, so pathetic
Correct question will b would the world b better of without Islam? Definitely yes
Very good and respectful debate which we will never see on Fox Tv or CNN
Tribal beliefs is religion
I think Mahdi unfortunately very poor job of allowing rebuttal from Reza or giving him same amount of time as Klaus. He couldn’t even finish a point.
I also enjoying publicly splitting semantic hairs!
Lawrence couldn’t dance away from ideology less religion leading to violence and war! WWI, WWII, Cold War, etc.
As we see when a Religion rejects a hateful stance we see separations, proving that the Practitioners inherently crave the hate and those prejudices don’t go away because you abolish the Big Religion Boogieman. Even the Crusades were done as a means to repay financial debts to Banks (Which the Church acted as for centuries). I assure you in a Religonless world we would be fighting over Scientific or Political Ideologies at the same EXACT rate
Maybe we don’t need religion but we need Jesus.
Can science prove “love”? If not does that mean that it doesn’t exist?
In new Iran we don’t recognize any official religion. The only thing that should be official or formal is PERSIAN language. We have no joke with anyone. Your are NAIC enemy of Iranian people. You protect MOLLAS to kill IRANIAN women and children. You have no place in new democracy in Iran
😮😮😮 you are enemy of Iranian people.
ما ایرانیها از شما نایاکیها و تودهایها و کمونیستهای که دشمن ملت ایران هستید متنفر هستیم. شما حق مادر شدن به ایران را ندارید.
Reza Aslan makes more sense than the other two. Especially the guest, he is all over the place and refuses to be objective in his views. His perception revolves around the I which I is the essence of the ego. In other words, he refuses any responsibility by claiming to be a scientist. Like a spectator sitting on the sideline watching sports. But he’ll tell you everything about the game and the actors in the game…
If religion didn’t exist what would replace it?
Religions were once outlawed in various countries like China and Russia. How did that work out?
Religion was and still is the cause of many wars, conflicts and violence
Yes we would be.
This ankar is jihadi
There is no provocation of violence in Buddhism and Jainism
Unscientific and uneducated people are believers
Religion is preserved by leftist ideas. Had there been no help from state for people who didnt work hard then there will be less believers.
Only Islam
You literally have to be stupid to believe in deities. There is also literally nothing to support their existence. Hence you believe in something that clearly does not exist. Just because you believe it, don’t make it so. The opposite is not true. Religion is primitive.
Lauren is an ignorant. Religion never denies science infact scinece testifies alot of religious ideas
WW1.WWll caused by which countries and who?
At the end of the day people will find any dumbass reason to kill and hate each other, factors such as religion, color, country just make for convenient excuses.
Religion isn’t going away because people will always find a way to excuse things that are proven to be nonsense. When I mentioned to a friend who is religious about what nonsense it is about Noah living to 950 years old he said “oh but everyone lived to be 900+ years old back then.” He knows that’s rubbish but says it like people should believe it.
Lawrence Krauss, Reza Aslan and Mahdi Hasan in the same place
I do respect those people
What a greatness!
What a debate!
Yes we’d be better off. More and more people are letting go of religion
to be a true scientist, you must be agnostic on this debate…. IF IT is a phenonmenon that cannot be proven true or false (there is a higher power/ isn’t) which it is from the scientific method and perspective…. YOU ARE AGNOSTIC. Saying you don’t believe in something that CAN NETIHER BE PROVEN THROUGH SCIENTIFIC METHOD OR UNPROVEN is not scientific, that is making a absolute truth… The highest truth the scientific method can produce is hypothesis, WHICH IN THE EMOTIONAL LANDSCAPE is “faith”
Faras Zahabi said this greatly ” Science ; the belief/faith that the history will behave like the past.”
Here is a good question to ask Lawerence…. if god is a man made thing, is gravity a man made thing?….. Did Gravity only exist when Newton first put a label on it? Or was it just undiscovered to our consciousness….. this idea of the concept of God being man made is upsurd