For years, private armies have provided services to governments around the world. They are often secretive and operate in the shadows.
Blackwater – now known as Academi – is one of the most well-known private armies. It has provided troops and other services to the US government in different conflicts, including the Iraq war.
But it is not always clear how these private armies are formed, where they operate, or even what their missions consist of.
Eeben Barlow is chairman of ‘Specialised Tasks, Training, Equipment and Protection International’ – a private army that – according to Barlow – has operated throughout Africa and beyond. He was also behind another similar company that shut down in 1998 – called Executive Outcomes.
And while many argue private armies are mercenaries doing the jobs governments do not want to do – Barlow insists his operations are legitimate and follow international law.
“We don’t see ourselves as mercenaries. We are first of all contracted by a national government. We become part of their armed forces, we wear their uniforms, we follow their procedures and guidelines, we fall under the legal regulations of that country. So, in other words, we serve the country that contracts us. And yes, we get paid for it, but we certainly don’t get paid to run around and cause chaos,” says Barlow.
Some private military contractors have been accused of prolonging conflicts instead of ending them, but Barlow believes that “there is a fine line between moral and immoral”.
“But that really goes back to the people that are involved … We’ve never prolonged a conflict, in fact, we’ve ended them despite them carrying on for decades and decades. We’ve ended them in a very short space of time. But I am aware of companies that do not mind if the conflict continues because that’s the goose that lays the golden egg, and they certainly don’t want to stop it,” says Barlow.
He stresses the importance of cultural understanding and expertise needed to end conflicts across Africa.
“We are after all Africans that work in Africa. But I do think there is a major concern that Africans can actually end African conflicts,” says Barlow.
“We look at all these private military companies going into Africa, they are just charging, they don’t understand the environment they are in, they don’t understand the area of operation, they don’t understand the people and very quickly, they offend people … If they are not going to add value and bring about … stability and peace, then they shouldn’t be there. But unfortunately, this has been allowed to drag on.”
So who makes sure these armies are indeed following international law? How do they operate? And is there accountability?
Eeben Barlow provides an insight into the world of private military contractors as he talks to Al Jazeera about his company’s role in fighting Boko Haram in Nigeria, the LRA in Uganda and other conflicts across Africa.
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“accountability” in newspeak means answering a phone call at 3AM from the powers-at-be. It has nothing to do with following the law or being morally upstanding. If PMCs were as “Accountable” or should I say ‘Loyal’ as federal troops, the wars would never end, peace would never be secured, and this whole rotten world order would continue unopposed till the sun burns out.
The United States military is very “accountable” for its handling of the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably more “accountable” than any of the other forces at work there. And what has that “accountability” given us? 20 years of endless war.
I’d love to hear some globalist lecture me on how their “Accountable” tactics have brought peace to the middle east. I guarantee you, 2 or 3 battalions of PMCs, if let off the leash, could end that conflict decisively in a matter of months. It wouldn’t be pretty, it wouldn’t be “accountable”, it wouldn’t even be legal: Pakistan’s national borders would be violated like a lost child in Bangkok.
But the war would end one way or another. Or would you argue that letting the war smolder for generations is mercy? Perhaps we should negotiate with the terrorists, I’m sure they will be more “Accountable” than the mercenaries.
Brezhnev doctrine in eastern soviet satellites states was very clear.
What a great show.
The interviewer asked some great questions.
Eeben Barlow should be appointed to the UN. Imagine the things he must have seen in his life.
Decent man really good interview.
I think if you knew half the truth – you would be shocked, disgusted, surprised and relieved in some measure or another.
“That type of nonsense does not save our girls.”
Gotta love this man xD
Yea, laughing my guts out from Nigeria. The US leaders gives speeches and raises ” save our girls” placards, but when the previous administration actually tries to do something about it the US sticks it’s corrupt nose in because of some mystifying political interest that apparently outweighs the lives of thousands.
Just admit it: a well-funded, well-trained PMC could clean up the Middle East and the world’s other hot spots better and faster than any state-owned military or agency ever could.
He constantly has to explain what is impossible to explain. Africa. A continent of government greed and foreign interest
So is Europe
He says it how it is, facts and details. A soldier with an ideology.
Outanding Sir Eben Barlow!
Soldier who enterprises on his skills….respect
This guy barlow is a neo conman.creating conflict in africa to benefit from the blood of africans…
The Original!
The fact is te UM is deeply corrupt and there are billions in dark money flowing into the pockets of UN so-called peace keepers.
I was born in Seychelles, but served in the SADF. Guess I’m a mercenary. Need to change my C.V. Lol
Eddie is alright. Leave him alone. The real devils won’t sit with you to talk about this.
Look at Outcomes record. Everywhere they’ve gone. There has been results, peace.
Just because he was born in SA doesn’t mean he’s African. Example..North America 3 largest counties are Canada, Mexico’ and America, but if you are born in Canada or Mexico you don’t call yourself Americans.
Yes they do consider themselves American…. It’s citizens from the USA who are uneducated which only refer to themselves as Americans
@Mzansi Patriot oh..and these “uneducated” Americans are the people who invented this platform for you spew your ignorant statements. Interesting. And if there were Americans they would not need passports and visa to enter America. You so ignorant and a coward who isn’t even brave enough to have a profile pic while you spew your ignorance…pathetic.
I was born in South Africa in 1984. I am white and yes I am a white African. What European country will take me? None. I am African buddy.
So the UN comes in when the job is done then boom bec to factory settings
Private military contractors, no! Mercenaries or Soldiers of fortune! Military fight for a cause, for a nation. Contractor$ fight for dollar$ !
This guy is truly african…he sees the problems posed by foreign forces on africans.
On instinct, I’d trust this guy!
More so than the interviewer, from my gut instinct. But in today’s world, you never know. I have nothing at all against private contractoring. As a matter of fact, I think it can be very useful to both sides
US bank rolls & runs election campaign. Gets their guy in power & calls off operations against Jihadi militants. 12:09 Snake John Kerry is in the room. What a great humanitarian.
He was a member of The Buffaloes, The Terrible Ones, 32 Battalion
correct .. best fighting unit ever on the African continent and certainly one of the best in the world
The UN – the most useless waste of money ever assembled. Actually the definition of useless should be the UN.
Eeben Barlow – Legend!
geeze very articulated and professionally spoken
U r not even one quarter of being an African. Mother Africa could have aborted you if she find something like that in her womb. You r a notorious liar sir. You r accountable to that government even if it is fighting the injustice war. You don’t even know the difference btwn moral and immoral. Who r you fooling.
Never mind all this bollocks .we want kronke out
War is an ugly prospect and I would rather have people like Eeben at the bargaining table than an African despot leader .
What is in the word. BTW THERE ARE A LOT OF BOARD WARRIORS. FUCX YOU ALL
Eeben is a very smart man he sells the weapons to the rebels then gets the money and oil and resource contract to take his weapons back and the people suffer but who cares if the people are savages
How do you know this? I’m here because of the film Blood Diamond and that is what it depicts. I’m surprised by listening to this mans interview as he is a very clever individual and seems to come across more straight laced than the other way.
This man is a legend and a hero
A much better interview than what you see on western television channels. The interviewee gives full answers minus interruption. Al jazeera keep it up
Barlow’s opinion of military doctrine taught to Africans by foreign military’s not being right for Africa is wrong. Basic doctrine used by European and American military’s is combat proven in conflicts all over the world. What African commander’s need to know is how to use that basic doctrine and add to it. It is called Standard Operating Procedures and they use it to adjust the doctrine for different circumstances.
Great interview. Can we hear something about the private contractors in Afghanistan. Especially Blackwater.
Was BW ever in Afghanistan?
I read his book, Executive Outcomes: Against All Odds. And I recommend everyone reads it aswell
Best book ever, not just about mercenaries, but about governments and the world at war. Anyone who joins a national army at war wants his head examined.
Barlow is a very smart dude, man he explains things so easy and he should be taken seriously…
Amazingly he doesn’t huh or TIA at the end of each sentence, as you would expect. Not once during the whole interview.
These are some serious warriors,,,,,,,
Yes a great interviewer,,,,nice job al jazeera
Killing for money, I think this is the oldest profession.
Don’t see how you maintain command and control using pmc’s Only deniability.
If you are a hammer all you see are nails.
The American military industrial complex makes billions of dollars prolonging US lead wars. 20 years in Afghanistan? For what? Money! Thats what! Respect to this man for leave when the job is done.
From a military point of view He is right and stand tall
Blacks in the USA claim to be African Americans, many, just plain, Americans. According to some comments here, Barlow shouldn’t call himself African, because he’s European. Well, brilliant commenters, what is your problem? If the blacks born in America , with African ancestry, can call themselves Americans, then Mr Barlow , as an African born European, has the right to call himself African. I hope this wasn’t too deep and convoluted for you naysayers.
This is the talks of a sensible man, the points he raised were totally legit along with his views on the african conflicts.
It’s not good business for the world bank, IMF, central banks and military industrial complex for conflict to end. It will continue forever until we address the fact that the world is 60 trillion in debt. How is the entire world in debt? Who is the world in debt too? Addressing that question will end a lot of conflict. War is a very profitable business.
I love him and respect him, I have met him, B4 intelligent guy.
OK we cannot have Companies Killing people in Afrika or anywhere else, e.g for the right price one can have them overthrow VENEZUELA for the US & the UK for them to take their OIL and GOLD(UK stole gold from Venezuela) for Example!! NO ETHICS murder for Hire Hit men Trying to come across as a SAINTS!!!
Yes we’d rather have nations incite civil war and governmental instability in developing countries to prolong conflicts to continue selling them weapons and make money off their blood. Very civilize!
Now if anyone wants to see an interview conducted on the opposite end of the spectrum from this one turn to Jerry Springer or CNN
Hats off to them both, as the others say intelligent questions and intelligent response in an unbiased manner, sad when as a UK citizen I prefer Al Jazeera to the BBC for real news.
I’m with you there. I’m not sure sure there’s ever been real news on the bbc.
French foreign legionaires and UK’s gurkhas are not mercenaries because the UN says so…
The IMF hates him, that’s all I need to know about his quality as a man.
This was a really well done interview and very insightful. This man knows what he’s talking about. Is there a second part to this interview? It seems incomplete.
This Barlow guy is a total professional, and a hero.
This man lead a platoon of about 150 soldiers and cleaned up Sierra Leone, they got ushered out by the UN who replaced the 150 soldiers with 10, 000 peacekeeping troops. They were overrun almost immediately and called Eeben, who sent the same 150 men to Sierra Leone again and cleaned up the mess. Again.
This is someone we should listen to when it comes to ending armed conflicts.
mnxm
The un prolonging wars since 1950,s
The problem with United Nations Mercenary Convention, is that their definition of the term “mercenary” can apply to any soldier who is a member of an armed force that is invited by the host nation to “play” pursuant to Chapter VII of the UN Charter. Yes we get it that traditionally mercenaries had a bad rep enforcing some pretty awful regimes and some committed some pretty awful deeds however ties change and since the countries employing them are doing so willingly and with success, to try and pressure them to stop is ridiculous. Sure sure where the mercenary is trying to over throw a regime he is a criminal or a terrorist, however if he is employed by the government of the day and that government is the legitimate government of that state then they are as far as that nation is concerned legally engaged by that nation. Its no different than the government hiring any other kind of private contractors from overseas. No one has the authority to object to that.
All countries have laws that prohibit mercenaries from fighting against them. All countries employ mercenaries, but call them different names – Britain employs, Gurkhas, Chinese, Fijians, and in the past employed Germans, Indians, Africans etc.
“One time Judge Advocate Todds S. Milliard has argued that the convention (United Nations Mercenary Convention) and Article 47 of Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I) are designed to cover the activities of mercenaries in post colonial Africa, and do not address adequately the use of private military companies by sovereign states.”
Does anyone see the irony of this statement and from a legally trained man no less? Here he is in his statement decrying the “evils of colonialism in Africa” all the while decrying that international law (that would largely be developed by western and developed states) doesn’t prevent these same African states from employing who they want to help them with their internal security.
glad EO is back
Both Interviewer and Interviewee are serious professionals. Good work for both gentlemen
Executive Outcomes’
is it still active ?
This man just reestablish the company last year
This is what journalism looks like. Nicely done to both gentlemen.
Great gentleman with an informed mind
Clearly USA wanted the Boko Haram Conflict to prolong itself….its a shame that Pres Buhari allowed his government to be swindled!
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Does Ebernbalow recruit foreigners today?
You wan join?😂 Abeg come carry me too oh.
Kkkkkkk you also want to be a part?
Buhari brought this upon us
His response, “first of all, let’s talk about what we’ve turned down”
5:15 UN and IMF exploiting Africa through wars (eg Angola/Sierra Leone conflicts)
8:50 Boko Haram discussion started.
11:53 United States funded the 2015 political campaign of General Muhammad Buhari
13:36 Involvement in South Sudan
15:54 Involvement in Somalia(Pirates on Ocean)
From Nigeria twitter?
Major concern that Africans can end African conflict. “18:20” Well said.
I worked for this numpty 1992 he owns me 50,000 Ran hope he is still alive if so tell him I am coming to visit with him and I want interest poss
Great interview. Eben Barlow is as solid and transparent as he has always been. I have a lot of respect for him.
The Blackwater Bozo’s
Love how he managed to point out that the UN and global banking war machine don’t want end to conflicts they only make them worse.
What is his incentive to end conflict though? Honest question
@Jonathan Freeman-Mariani Huh? You fail to understand the basic precept of business/mercantilism. “You pay me to complete a professional job within a given time frame. I do my job. Well. Bankers hate me because my business is highly efficient.”
thx
They kill for money. That’s what a mercenary does. But they people they are killing are not good people. But EO works for diamond brokers and oil companies. Team no one. They all suck
Governments can’t do, and we do better
Boko Haram is and was a fabrication of the west to destabilize various African countries so that Evil western countries can plunder resources of Africa.
Good Interview
Wao, Eeben Barlow, now that is a big fish. And, the best part is, he is right about what he says, mostly.
Absolute gentleman and brilliant commander. He is on point with the nonsense the US causes everywhere
Mercenaries are as old as the Anabasis, the story of the Ten Thousand written 2.5 thousand years ago. Greek soldiers recruited by a rebel trying to take over a nation state. If you can’t be bothered to read the book, probably the only book on war and politics that is as good as Echo Bravo’s Executive Outcomes – then at least watch the film “The Warriors” (1979).
Anyone know what hat that is? I know MGSV’s “Diamond Dogs” were based heavily off of EO, which had the nickname “Diamond Dogs of War”
The interview seems to be staged.
It really does. It can be seen as a business advertisement.
@Mr. Tomasio Rubinshtein Huh? The news interviewer accused E.O. of fomenting and protracting war. He also asked other accusatory questions. Perhaps both of you should return to your Matzo consumption.
@panama-canada You are quite mistaken. Next time, listen to the levied questions.
How much money does he make?
1… 2 … hahaha
Very good interview. Barlow really seems to know his stuff. I love that comment on hashtags not saving anyone, when he was talking about their plans to actually go rescue those girls.
9:25 so true
He’ll yes! Great example: sierra Leone ,Cleaned up Fast for a great price! We need this type of private army’s everywhere!!!!!
“Mercenaries” have been an industry/business since Roman times. The United States, like European Union, are banker puppet states.
More like a long time
Julius Malema said it all and has been saying it for a long time ..Africa wake up and Unite
He’s a smooth operation, we’ll have to see 👀 over time what the truth of the matter 😮
Hey 😭😭😭. The West’s hand in Africa has been only evil…😭😭😭
More than any other thing, this interview has exposed the UN and Western powers complicity in engendering war and conflict in Africa. The day Africans will wake up from their slumber, understand this evil and fight back is taking shape already. Eeben may be a mercenary but he is more honest and committed to ending conflict than most of these puppets we have as leaders in Africa. God bless him
brilliant and educational expertise. very humane
Mercenary is not a dirty word any more than PMC is. Soldiers for hire date back to Alexander the Great. The Hessians helped forge American independence. I could go on. This man is thoughtful, cogent, and forthcoming as much as he can be. The interviewer is adept and well informed. The AJE format is both relaxed, expansive and to the point. Bravo.