Pakistan-US relationship: A double game? – UpFront

2020/05/23
 
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Earlier this month it was revealed that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) suspected its Islamabad station chief may have been poisoned by Pakistan’s military intelligence service, the ISI, following the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

While the reports have not been confirmed, some say such level of suspicion points to growing distrust between the two countries.

Those within US intelligence argue Pakistan is playing a “double game” by saying it supports the US’ role in the region, while also supporting the Taliban.

Pakistani officials have denied these long-standing allegations, while others believe double games are essential because their interests do not always align with those of the US. Such distrust, however, has left many to wonder about the future of relations between the two countries.

In this week’s Arena, we bring together former heads of the two countries’ intelligence agencies to debate their sensitive relationship.

Michael Flynn, former Director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency under President Obama and author of, The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies, is in debate with Asad Durrani, the former head of the ISI, and one of the main architects of Pakistan’s Mujahideen policy in Afghanistan.

Editor’s note: The Arena was recorded prior to the US drone strike in Pakistan that killed Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour.

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  1. Avatar Saad Malik says:

    Great General Durrani

  2. Avatar Watan Mari jan says:

    We love pakistan I not like usa and afghanistan

  3. Avatar P P says:

    pakistan is a pimp …probably they need more money or arms for full support.

  4. Avatar Asif Mahmood says:

    US what about Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan. So much of bloodshed by your government. How can you justify. If you have changed the meaning of peace with killing fields that’s OK.

  5. Avatar michael jhon says:

    Pakistan help terrorist and use them as proxy war against neighbouring countries for there selfish and national intrest.

  6. Avatar Saira Ali says:

    Hahaha

  7. Avatar Erwin Rommell says:

    All world preference to non pashtoon afghanis in afghanistan and ignoring 70% pashtoon of all afg population. Only and only Pakistan give them support,shelter and even without visa living in pk but in return they hate pak without any reason

    • Avatar Mu5ty Laghmani says:

      That’s coz pakistan destroyed their country given them visa and shelter will not compensate them

  8. Avatar Aamir Khan says:

    1 billion + population & non systematic distribution of resources is india’s reality and herr they are telling us what we should do 😂😂
    I pity indians 🤣🤣🤣😭😭

    • Avatar Prashant Singh says:

      Your well distributed resources are heavenly working for your economy …apni aukat me rah ke bolna ..jitna tumhara defense budget hai utna hum farmers Ko fertilizer subsidy dete hai ..ab has😂😂😂😂

    • Avatar Ali X says:

      Aamir Khan not indian randians

  9. Avatar Hallow! says:

    I never really understood the alliance between Pakistan and US in the 21st century. It just seems like a sad remnant of their cold war relations, which were honestly quite destructive when we consider their effects today.

  10. Avatar oneKhalil Miah says:

    ISI have played Kipling great game very successfully with USA .

  11. Avatar Falcon says:

    Hhhhhhhhhh,go American for sleep but must take wine realese ur tensions

  12. Avatar - Rise Of Pakistan says:

    People are jealous of Pakistan’s importance in the region

    • Avatar SHOSH Uz says:

      We should think about the rest of Islamic Ummah, not nation states!

  13. Avatar Mian Muzammil says:

    Long Live Islam.Long Live Pakistan Army

  14. Avatar Rene Gonza says:

    terrorist will control u and use u if u do not stop them

    • Avatar Romi Shah says:

      Rene Gonza control who USA or Pakistan?

  15. Avatar Rashid Khan says:

    The main problem is with Pakistan that the US supporting India in Afghanistan and Pakistan will not allow it at any price

  16. Avatar Ajay Paul says:

    American has still soft corner for Pakistan left.

  17. Avatar Prajyot Thokal says:

    Pakistan ke maa ki chut

    • Avatar Romi Shah says:

      Prajyot Thokal Hindustan ke ma ke chut ma Pakistan ka lun.

    • Avatar Rostam Sunny says:

      Gandu hindu spotted.

  18. Avatar Lareib Khan says:

    Go out from Afghanistan USA.

  19. Avatar puma ring says:

    US is a terrorist state.

  20. Avatar Grim reaper says:

    Balls of ISI are Big … father of USA

  21. Avatar shahzad ahmad says:

    Pakistan army’s isi zindbad

  22. Avatar TheKory123 says:

    Yo! Indians!!!! Go play outside with your Barbie dolls…go on!! Big Boys talkin here. You ain’t welcome.

  23. Avatar baa ghi says:

    Koi Pakistani America ka sath nhi denghe

  24. Avatar Umair Ashraf says:

    Afghan Taliban zindabad

  25. Avatar Umair Ashraf says:

    All Pakistani support Afghan Taliban

  26. Avatar King Khan says:

    Pakistan a greater country

  27. Avatar Rashid Khan says:

    Afghanistan our brother country ❤🇦🇫🇵🇰🇦🇫🇵🇰🇦🇫❤I fuke USA army

  28. Avatar Yaqoot Diamond says:

    If America supports racist Israel, then why not Pakistan support his brother Afghanistan….?

  29. Avatar Usman Sahi says:

    long live ISI🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰

  30. Avatar why name? says:

    I told u😎 it’s a virus

  31. Avatar why name? says:

    It was 9/11 , after which Geo politics changed. And Osama was found in Pakistan

    • Avatar congo jander says:

      So what we achieve what we wanted. USA going back

  32. Avatar Sparks Man says:

    USA GOVERNMENT THINKS

    PAKISTANI ARE SLAVE TO THEMS NO

    WE LEARND FROM YOUR FRIENDS

    SHIP 1971 / AFGHANISTAN WAR 1988

    SO PAKISTAN IS FIRST ?

    THERE IS NO TERRORIST EXIST ANY MORE AS WE KICKED OUT USA FROM PAKISTAN ?

  33. Avatar Mirza Ali Mughal says:

    Live long pakistan💗

  34. Avatar Nomi Multan says:

    Not a virus you can call that Muslim brotherhood its a natural bonding and no power can undo that bonding

  35. Avatar Autumn Bus says:

    No solution whatsoever on American terms.
    This is my land and I have the right to choose my friends.

  36. Avatar Lucky Jat says:

    US deserve double game because US has two faces..US is double gamer but pakistan is his daddy in double gaming😂😂🤣🤣

  37. Avatar Talha Talha says:

    nice short gen…

  38. Avatar samhouston2000 says:

    Do you think CIA will ever do anything for Pakistan which is not in best interest of United States?. EXACTLY!!.

  39. Avatar Asim M kashmiri says:

    Don’t worry about Pakistan we are most resilient people and we are very adaptable

  40. Avatar saad SAAD says:

    In 2019 no Pakistan agencies are operating in Pakistan only India, American & Israel agencies, now Pakistan’s interest is to remove terrorism from Pakistan (75 percent removed) & to have peace with Afghanistan, Iran & India. No IsI is operating in any other country again their law.

  41. Avatar EStore4U says:

    American blaming Pakistan for its failure in Afghanistan, was there any Pakistan near Vietnam? Is there any Pakistan near Lybia, Syria, Yemen, Iraq & many more where Americans are poking their noses and sponsoring terrorists. Pakistan is just trying to get rid of Americans from ts neighborhood because no one trust US anymore.

  42. Avatar Action Reaction says:

    America failed in Afghanistan peace process due to Pakistan involvement, Because USA has not stable Policy to Resolve the issue , and finally America create the history to negotiate a Terrorist group in Afghanistan.

  43. Avatar congo jander says:

    Yankies made a mistake by playing with Pakistani fire tgey didn’t understand Pakistan is not dumb arab country where u will go kill and achieve what u want.
    Pakistan will make you bleed badly 😊as we are doing for last 15 days

  44. Avatar Syed Imran Shah says:

    A double-game is essentail part of the strategy to eliminate extremists from India, Pakistan, Iran and even Bangladesh. Extremists and fundamentalists need to trust their Govts and leadership in order to follow their orders of sending them to Afghanistan and other such areas of consumption. Americans need to read the history of British administration of colonies and they would understand what is this double-game all about. The tribal chiefs in India had to maintain a friendly relationship with the British but had to listen to their own people too, therefore, double-game was necessary. Even the King of Jordan, who had confidential good relations with USA and Israel, had to maintain such a strategy. In 1967 war, when he sent troops against Israel due to domestic pressure, he informed Israelis that he is doing so on public demand and it was okayed by the Israeli leadership. Sometimes, it is not possible to win a war without double-game. The ruler of Afghanistan, Dost Muhammad Khan had issues with Sikhs over Peshawar city and he had made an alliance with British. But he convinced Sikhs of his loyalty to them and sent his troops for helping Sikhs against the British in Second Anglo-Sikh war (1848-9). These Afghan troops did nothing to secure victory for Sikhs and even contributed to the defeat of Sikhs.

  45. Avatar Mian Muzammil says:

    Long Live Pakistan .

  46. Avatar Jamal Khan says:

    There is a very strong and true believe in Pakistan that America is not a trust worthy friend and past is a very clear evidence of this believe. If America has the right to defend its national interests then Pakistan has the right to protect her national interests.

  47. Avatar Rajesh K says:

    Real News , Real View and Al Jazeera? Isn’t there a double game? Shut up Al Jazeera, we know you are Sympathisers of ISIS and Pakistan. Stop your Islamic propaganda.

  48. Avatar AB mangrio says:

    Funds offered by USA was not utilized….it went into corruption.

  49. Avatar Maneeb Mirza says:

    US army are losing & CrYiNg in afganistan , indan army help US army in afganistan , we TALBANs are waiting your bollywood army , we have killed indian ,US soldiers in every hole,PAK army and ISI zindabad

  50. Avatar Indian Muslim says:

    Well done Pakistan

  51. Avatar Swapnil Rane says:

    useless country pakistan ..only known to produces terrorist graduate

  52. Avatar 123 321 says:

    Ha ha I love it , what you give you will get back TTP or extra 😉 . This is not call humanity this is a game for their national interest ha ha

  53. Avatar Dark Archer says:

    Are there any Russians or Chinese here? What do they think of this interview?

  54. Avatar ARSLAN AZIZ says:

    Look back history US roles in Arab Israel War

    Are you joking that is war not a football match

  55. Avatar Zartasha Riaz says:

    We will play triple game if necessary😜 …why should we fight with afghanistan when they are good with us except few US puppets😏???

    • Avatar Abdul Basit says:

      Most of em’ are actually not

  56. Avatar Zartasha Riaz says:

    Oh mehdi you beauty 🤣 the last comment 💃 YOU CREATED THEM🤣

  57. Avatar mehreen jahangaiz says:

    Soviet Union left and now US is leaving. 😜

    • Avatar Abdul Basit says:

      Insha ALLAAH… But i don’t think they gonna leave AFG that easily

  58. Avatar Farhad Helmand says:

    Nice question about afghan concerns…

  59. Avatar sher ali khan says:

    in this arena general ASAD beat CIA officer

  60. Avatar Eastern Yankee says:

    So when is the Next Army Removal of BULLSHIT PM ? Or will TALIBAN DO THE BEHEADING ?

  61. Avatar Hasnain Rehmat says:

    Lol TTP was your creation Mr American if want proofs then here’s my book I’ve met with TTP one of their chapter emir was from my family
    I’m from fata and seen with my own eyes and now writting a book on it… to exposes these enemies of Islam

  62. Avatar Zinda Jutt says:

    Daddy is playing double game 😂

  63. Avatar Zinda Jutt says:

    It’s triple game

  64. Avatar Samya Noori says:

    This Pakistani is a war criminal. Their minds are so extremely twisted

    • Avatar Abdur Rahman says:

      U bloddy people
      Dogs of Donald Trump
      Death to America

    • Avatar congo jander says:

      Hahah we won the war welcome to 2020

  65. Avatar Abdur Rahman says:

    Death to America

  66. Avatar Qasim Raja says:

    Just think 250000+150000+Afghan forces + best military weapons technology fail because of ISI and 5000 taliban

  67. Avatar LOGHNY Warriors says:

    Haha Cristian fair is next target for isi.

  68. Avatar Amir Khan says:

    ISI is no 1st in the world right now

  69. Avatar Stand for justice says:

    One of the best videos of this show I think…..

  70. Avatar sadia malik says:

    GeÔ MarkhóòRR””s😎🔥
    ….. ALLAH PAAK 💞💞 Bless & Protect U & give u alloot of success our un-sung Hero’s on ur each STEP against 💚🇵🇰 Enemies
    … Ameen 😊🌷

    💖❤💖🇵🇰💚 FORCES ISPR 😎 🔥 💖❤💖ISI 😎 🔥 😍 Zindabad

  71. Avatar Sarosh Khan says:

    And now MICHAEL Flynn is in jail

  72. Avatar LOGHNY Warriors says:

    Afghan national resistance (Afghan Taliban are moral Freedom Fighters. Zoinist baby Americans occupation forces are needs to be removed.

  73. Avatar Ali Sher says:

    Where is TTP now?? Talibans are in bargaining position now with USA( although, they will be worst alternative of USA.), US seems to like they are living Afghanistan. Pakistan out of invasion threat. What more you expect from ISI.
    Big games take time and patience and are not for weakhearted people.

  74. Avatar Zinda Jutt says:

    It’s so many ball

  75. Avatar aftab ahmad says:

    gen durrani as always act like a boss.

  76. Avatar aftab ahmad says:

    this is what actually the narrative of Pakistan.

  77. Avatar Muhammmad Umer says:

    5:55 international national forces will know what will happen if they try to kill the The Taliban 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰

  78. Avatar juveman123 says:

    America is just frustrated that someone else is defeating them at their game.

  79. Avatar talha khan says:

    Foreign policy discussed by military leaders? Definitely not a conversation with the right people.

  80. Avatar Ramzan Ups says:

    Don’t ever mess with ISI.
    Why they are Crying now like a baby?

    • Avatar normal human says:

      Do U Guys really justify terrorism 🤣

  81. Avatar Sshel Sahel says:

    Usddr , USA and now Pakistan- welcome to the graveyard of powers. Pakistan is not considered as a power but as a headache. We will free from this headache the whole world

  82. Avatar Bilal Ahmed says:

    When questioned about TTP(Pakistani taliban) see how US General gave a vague statement twisting the entire story.

  83. Avatar Shakeel Ahmed Gujjar says:

    TTP is a sponsor by usa & india

  84. Avatar asif bajwa says:

    Afghanistan….” the graveyard of empires”
    PAKISTAN “THE EMPIRE SLAYER”.

  85. Avatar aqib mahmood says:

    Pakistan and America Stopped Russia to Attack Afghanistan but What next ? America attacked Afghanistan and Pakistan tried to stop America…
    who is in favor of Afghanistan decide yourself

  86. Avatar Anwar Ahmed says:

    They both are true. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  87. Avatar Usama Ahmed says:

    Its Pakistan’s agency why should they care about USA’s interest, obviously they will take care of Pakistan’s interest.

  88. Avatar Junaid Ahmad says:

    What a nice, clear and solid reply from Gen. Durrani. I am glad to hear such a confidence in a Pakistani general

  89. Avatar sheraz ahmad says:

    Does any other country has such power to show eyes to USA, its only Pak.

  90. Avatar Asad Zaman says:

    You can not buy our national interest by giving aids and your dollar’s, you can buy the global leadership as you destroyed all instead of ISI
    I love Pakistan
    My best wishes with ISI zindabad

  91. Avatar khalid sadat says:

    6:25 that is what he is saying listen idiot americans

  92. Avatar Mahabir Yadav says:

    Pakistan is also a Terrorist Country

  93. Avatar Akhtar Khan says:

    🌹ISI🌹

  94. Avatar Vc Hat says:

    Great general durrani ❤️🌹👍😁

  95. Avatar Universal Peace Humanity says:

    It’s not fair to discuss Afghan’s affairs but not have an Afghan official or politician part of the discussion, journalism 101.

  96. Avatar Qasim Raja says:

    Hi super power how was your match with ISI today ISI prove that we won and super power is crying 😢

  97. Avatar Qasim Raja says:

    ISI is father of all agencies in the world chapter close coward super power stop crying why u don’t accept you lost the game and ISI won

  98. Avatar normal human says:

    Pakistan is Terror State

  99. Avatar MX 09 says:

    This how debates are done between gentlemen. Agree or disagree with each other but nobody shout at one another.

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